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Old 05-28-2022, 03:17 PM   #376 (permalink)
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The only shock here is how soon it is being openly admitted...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...-cap/10312239/

Ferrari: No chance of staying below the current F1 140 million budget cap.

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Old 05-28-2022, 04:39 PM   #377 (permalink)
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The only shock here is how soon it is being openly admitted...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...-cap/10312239/

Ferrari: No chance of staying below the current F1 140 million budget cap.
The cap is about to die. RedBull, Mercedes and Ferrari are about to shake up this subject. Some of the small teams are not happy but do they matter lol

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wtf Ferrari might as well let the drivers manage the strategy.

Another wasted weekend for LeClerc.
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The cap is about to die. RedBull, Mercedes and Ferrari are about to shake up this subject. Some of the small teams are not happy but do they matter lol


See, this is part of the reason I stopped watching. The cap is there for a reason. If you hit your limit, no more development. Manage the space well.
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See, this is part of the reason I stopped watching. The cap is there for a reason. If you hit your limit, no more development. Manage the space well.
Except that the cap is also for operating budget. And things like shipping and fuel have risen considerably since the number was first discussed.

No question, development was the intent. But it always seemed ridiculous to me to introduce a totally new car, and limit the budget for all teams to what Williams spent in 2019 at the same time. Getting it wrong was going to be a killer.

Meanwhile, "smaller teams" have the likes of Schumacher and Latiffi, who aren't cheap on chassis!
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Except that the cap is also for operating budget. And things like shipping and fuel have risen considerably since the number was first discussed.

No question, development was the intent. But it always seemed ridiculous to me to introduce a totally new car, and limit the budget for all teams to what Williams spent in 2019 at the same time. Getting it wrong was going to be a killer.

Meanwhile, "smaller teams" have the likes of Schumacher and Latiffi, who aren't cheap on chassis!

That's no excuse considering other teams like Alfa and Alpine accounted for possible hiccups in planned budgets. These teams have enough professionals to plan better. I have no sympathy for them.
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That's no excuse considering other teams like Alfa and Alpine accounted for possible hiccups in planned budgets. These teams have enough professionals to plan better. I have no sympathy for them.
I have zero sympathy for the 'pinnacle' of Motorsport LOL. So make new machine and just not compete after you develop and pay for freight lol. Really.........................??????????????????? ????

Make a 'rational' budget say 250mil so you can develop through the season and COMPETITION can occur. If the smaller teams cannot do this.........well there is always F2.
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LMAO, might as well go to spec cars! F1 has always been about money and development. If you want to run with the big dogs step up. How do you think Ferrari was so dominant for so long, how did Red Bull get into the game and even Renault had good run. F1 is the closet in professional Motorsports to being a run what you brung, game. Everyone loves the underdog until they get on top and stay there too long!

As the saying goes, if you ain't cheating, you ain't winning! Find the loop holed or get the rules changed. All is fair in love and war!

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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1...kend/10318851/

Following Ferrari's failed protest against Max Verstappen at the Monaco Grand Prix for crossing the pit exit line, the FIA made clear that revisions to its rules over the winter have brought in a change of approach to what drivers can do.

Whereas previously drivers were in breach of the rules if they touched the lines, now it has been clarified that cars must not cross the line – which has been classified as having a 'full wheel' beyond it.

In pre-event notes issued by F1's race directors up until Monaco, it had been stated that drivers had to strictly keep to one side of the line.

But in light of the Monaco clarification, and a change in F1's International Sporting Code over the winter, Wittich has revised the message to teams and drivers for this weekend.

In his official event notes, the relevant section on the pit entry and exit lines ahead of the Baku weekend said: "In accordance with Chapter 4, Article 4 and 5 of Appendix L to the ISC drivers must follow the procedures at pit entry and pit exit."

This means that drivers can now go across the lines, as long as the full tyre does not go beyond it.

What the International Sporting Code says

The rules on the pit entry and exit lines are covered in Chapter 4 of Appendix L of the International Sporting Code.

The regulations were altered this year to move away from a rules breach being when any 'part' of a car had crossed the line, to now be a tyre.
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Following Ferrari's failed protest against Max Verstappen at the Monaco Grand Prix for crossing the pit exit line, the FIA made clear that revisions to its rules over the winter have brought in a change of approach to what drivers can do.

Whereas previously drivers were in breach of the rules if they touched the lines, now it has been clarified that cars must not cross the line – which has been classified as having a 'full wheel' beyond it.

In pre-event notes issued by F1's race directors up until Monaco, it had been stated that drivers had to strictly keep to one side of the line.

But in light of the Monaco clarification, and a change in F1's International Sporting Code over the winter, Wittich has revised the message to teams and drivers for this weekend.

In his official event notes, the relevant section on the pit entry and exit lines ahead of the Baku weekend said: "In accordance with Chapter 4, Article 4 and 5 of Appendix L to the ISC drivers must follow the procedures at pit entry and pit exit."

This means that drivers can now go across the lines, as long as the full tyre does not go beyond it.

What the International Sporting Code says

The rules on the pit entry and exit lines are covered in Chapter 4 of Appendix L of the International Sporting Code.

The regulations were altered this year to move away from a rules breach being when any 'part' of a car had crossed the line, to now be a tyre.
Formula 1 cars are going to have to be two-seaters in future, with a lawyer riding in the back!
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Formula 1 cars are going to have to be two-seaters in future, with a lawyer riding in the back!
Oh but please dont forget the FORENSIC ACCOUNTANT LOL
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Oh but please dont forget the FORENSIC ACCOUNTANT LOL
Guess this is going to be the reality in F1 pretty soon...


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Get a new car. This one is D O N E!! LOL

Mercedes needs "fundamental improvements" after torrid Baku F1 Friday

Mercedes trackside engineering director Andrew Shovlin says the team "needs fundamental improvements" after struggling massively during Friday practice for the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
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Bounce! Sounds like its going to be not so fun if teams continue to fail to address porpoise issues for 4 more years !!



https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/61763315

Azerbaijan Grand Prix: Lewis Hamilton a 'bit sore' as Mercedes bounces in practice
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Lewis Hamilton was left "a bit sore" after his Mercedes struggled with bouncing on the straights in Friday practice at the Azerbaijan Grand Prix.

"I'll get by," he said after ending the day 12th fastest. "We're hitting some serious speeds at the end of the straight and it's bouncing a lot."

Team-mate George Russell said the new rules needed to be re-thought.

"I don't think it's right to run like this for the next four years or whatever we've got," Russell said.

"Conversations are going to be needed because everybody is in the same boat."

Bouncing on the straights - caused by a disruption to the car's underbody airflow - has affected most teams to some degree this year following the introduction of new rules aimed at closing up the field and making overtaking easier.

These have changed the way the cars' aerodynamics work and led to the bouncing problem, with which Mercedes are struggling more than most.

The world champions hoped they had got on top of it with some changes made for the Spanish Grand Prix two races ago but it has returned on Baku's long pit straight this weekend, which features a series of kinks taken flat out.

Russell, a director of the Grand Prix Drivers' Association, said: "Now the car is running so close to the ground, it's crazy through those high-speed corners.

"The car is fully bottoming out and I think it's the same for everybody and it's really not comfortable to drive. I don't know what the future holds for this era of cars but I can't see us being able to [continue like this]."

Both Ferraris also appeared to be struggling with bouncing on the straights.

No other driver complained to the same extent as the Mercedes pair, although Ferrari's Carlos Sainz admitted he, too, was struggling with the problem, which is also known as "porpoising".

Sainz said: "It is certainly something I am looking into because for some reason today I struggled a lot with this phenomenon which hasn't been there the last few races and it looked particularly bad on my side of the garage.

"It's something I need to dig into with the engineers. It was taking out a bit of confidence on the straights and the braking."

F1 managing director Ross Brawn - who was central to the introduction of the new rules, which have changed the way the aerodynamics of the cars work this year with the aim of closing up the field and making overtaking easier - has previously dismissed similar comments by Russell, saying he was only really interested in the thoughts of drivers at the front of the field.
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