2022 Formula 1 Thread

ZCanadian · 01-18-2022, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by abm89

Woo! new thread!

I guess to lightly touch on some of the things already said:

Most of us long-time fans are used to RB complaining and just ignore it. I think it's causing more of a stir now thanks to the increased fan-base and recent influx of interest due to DTS. It's actually genius by RB to take advantage of that and try to use their new following of fans to paint Mercedes as some type of "cheater". I agree with Jar's point that it's the governing body who is to blame for entertaining these ******** tests, but I also agree with DLSTR that Horner and Marko suck.

On Lewis retiring, only he knows what he will do. He has literally said nothing and everyone is throwing a fit. It's quite hilarious. IMO, he's doing the right thing. Anything he says will just fuel idiocy.

Bet LH is lying back somewhere, reading all these speculative articles with a sh!t-eating grin on his face. There's no such thing as bad publicity. And anything he might say would only be twisted around and used against him by half the F1 fan base and journos anyhow.

Spooler · 01-18-2022, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Bet LH is lying back somewhere, reading all these speculative articles with a sh!t-eating grin on his face. There's no such thing as bad publicity. And anything he might say would only be twisted around and used against him by half the F1 fan base and journos anyhow.

If you think about it, it is funny as hell. LH wins by not saying anything. By default.

DLSTR · 01-19-2022, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Spooler

If you think about it, it is funny as hell. LH wins by not saying anything. By default.

He did his job. He owes us nothing. No driver does. Amazed that his silence is news. Those who do not like him now have their dream - no talking from LH and yet they still attack him for that.

LH owns so many people LOL. He owns so many that hate him. They wont shut up. The Max maniacs in particular. Pathetic.

All that matters is the FIA and F1 clean up the rules for some better decision making going forward.

ZCanadian · 01-19-2022, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

He did his job. He owes us nothing. No driver does. Amazed that his silence is news. Those who do not like him now have their dream - no talking from LH and yet they still attack him for that.

LH owns so many people LOL. He owns so many that hate him. They wont shut up. The Max maniacs in particular. Pathetic.

All that matters is the FIA and F1 clean up the rules for some better decision making going forward.

Haters gonna hate. Doesn't matter who or why.

As for the FIA and F1M, all that matters is money.
This inquiry won't resolve anything, a few changes will be made and some people forced to throw themselves on their swords, but then it will be back to very much business as usual.

The only way to truly get better decision making would be to to delegate it to some very advanced AI and hope for the best. Very few humans would be able to take all of the factors into account, weigh them, and process and communicate an answer in the kinds of time constraints required. If they did hire someone (say a military commander - perhaps a combat seasoned warship captain), they teams would have him fired in a heartbeat because the "right" answer for the race would never be the "right" answer for at least half of the grid.

The first thing that I would suggest is that communication between teams and Race Control be one-way only (from the Stewards room outbound). The teams can fill in a form or something to point out an infraction, but they should never have been allowed to be in the ear of those directing the race, in real time. There needs to be a buffer in between. Either a person, a system, or time.

EDIT: Then, superficial rule changes (the kind we are likely to see as a result of this inquiry) are not the answer. The problem at Abu Dhabi wasn't that some of the cars got to un-lap themselves, or that Masse took initiative based on the spirit of the rule, but rather that the un-lapping rule exists in the first place. Same with red flag work on cars, and safety car pitting. None of these should be looked at in a vacuum. The rule book is already too thick, but a lot of it doesn't seem to make sense anymore.

DLSTR · 01-19-2022, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Haters gonna hate. Doesn't matter who or why.

As for the FIA and F1M, all that matters is money.
This inquiry won't resolve anything, a few changes will be made and some people forced to throw themselves on their swords, but then it will be back to very much business as usual.

The only way to truly get better decision making would be to to delegate it to some very advanced AI and hope for the best. Very few humans would be able to take all of the factors into account, weigh them, and process and communicate an answer in the kinds of time constraints required. If they did hire someone (say a military commander - perhaps a combat seasoned warship captain), they teams would have him fired in a heartbeat because the "right" answer for the race would never be the "right" answer for at least half of the grid.

The first thing that I would suggest is that communication between teams and Race Control be one-way only (from the Stewards room outbound). The teams can fill in a form or something to point out an infraction, but they should never have been allowed to be in the ear of those directing the race, in real time. There needs to be a buffer in between. Either a person, a system, or time.

EDIT: Then, superficial rule changes (the kind we are likely to see as a result of this inquiry) are not the answer. The problem at Abu Dhabi wasn't that some of the cars got to un-lap themselves, or that Masse took initiative based on the spirit of the rule, but rather that the un-lapping rule exists in the first place. Same with red flag work on cars, and safety car pitting. None of these should be looked at in a vacuum. The rule book is already too thick, but a lot of it doesn't seem to make sense anymore.

Simple solutions are no tires/work on Safety Car - pitlane closed.
Safety Car - no unlapping. You got passed deal with it.
No calls to Stewards unless summoned. No interference with investigations. So you get called to state your case - all others shut it.

danegrey · 01-20-2022, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

Simple solutions are no tires/work on Safety Car - pitlane closed.
Safety Car - no unlapping. You got passed deal with it.
No calls to Stewards unless summoned. No interference with investigations. So you get called to state your case - all others shut it.

That makes too much sense

DLSTR · 01-20-2022, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by danegrey

That makes too much sense

Who says we cannot solve F1 problems LOL

DLSTR · 01-21-2022, 06:39 AM

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DLSTR · 01-21-2022, 06:41 AM

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/al...plete/7471371/

https://motorsport.tv/embed/5Lz9zQs5...works-complete - Video link

Albert Park modification works complete ahead of F1 return
By: Andrew van Leeuwen
Jan 21, 2022, 4:17 AM
Modifications to the Australian Formula 1 Grand Prix layout at Melbourne's Albert Park have been completed ahead of this year's race.

Australia is due to return to the F1 calendar with the third round of the 2022 season on 10 April, the first time it will have hosted an F1 race since 2019 due to the impact of the global COVID-19 pandemic.

The 2020 event was cut short by a positive COVID-19 case at McLaren before a wheel was turned in practice, and it was called off last year altogether due to the country's closed borders.

The break in racing has allowed the Australian Grand Prix Corporation to complete significant works to the Albert Park layout aimed at creating more overtaking opportunities.

Changes to the layout include Turns 9 and 10 being turned into a fast, sweeping complex, while a number of other corners have been widened to increase apex speed.

Paired with the new-spec cars due to be introduced this year, its expected the layout will be provide improved wheel-to-wheel racing and faster laptimes.

The circuit, mostly made up of public roads around Albert Park lake, has also been resurfaced for the first time since it began hosting F1 back in 1996.

"Five seconds a lap quicker, but [with] the new-spec cars, closer racing," said AGPC CEO Andrew Westacott when asked what to expect from the new layout.

"You can actually tail the car in front and expect to be able to overtake and be in a competitive position.

albert-park-modifications-1.jpg
Albert Park modifications

Photo by: Australian Grand Prix Corporation

"The main location is Turn 11 at the south end of the lake near Ross Gregory Drive and Ross Gregory Oval. We expect that to be a major overtaking opportunity.

"The widening of five other turns, particularly the increase of speed at Turn 6 where they're going to go from about 90 km/h to 150 km/h, that really does set it up for speeds in excess of 330 km/h around Lakeside [Drive], pulling four and a half Gs.

"Making sure the racing is going to be as exciting as possible is the reason why Formula 1 has changed the specification of the cars for this season. And it's the reason why we've resurfaced the track for the first time in 25 years."

Newly-signed Alfa Romeo driver Valtteri Bottas won the last Australian Grand Prix for Mercedes in 2019.

abm89 · 01-21-2022, 03:13 PM

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Austin90 · 01-22-2022, 09:27 AM

What's going to be very interesting to watch over these few months is whether the sprint races will happen again this season.
From what I've read here https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...Prix%20weekend, some teams are requiring F1 to get more money to fix the broken parts that went into these races.
What do you think about that?
Are you in favor of sprint races being held at some tracks this season as well?

DLSTR · 01-22-2022, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Austin90

What's going to be very interesting to watch over these few months is whether the sprint races will happen again this season.
From what I've read here https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...Prix%20weekend, some teams are requiring F1 to get more money to fix the broken parts that went into these races.
What do you think about that?
Are you in favor of sprint races being held at some tracks this season as well?

I dont like it. The current qualy format generates alot of interest and drama. Personally Id like them to go back to 1 lap qualy. Given a qualy slot, go out and run your lap. Better for the sponsors and alleviates the silly lack of traffic management clogging qualy needlessly. Some tracks simply do not allow all or even 10 cars to circulate well.

They need to tailor qualy for a circuit at times. The sprint is a joke. There is a race on Sunday. Thats the race.

ZCanadian · 01-22-2022, 11:46 AM

Agree, the sprints are rubbish.
They aren't contested because it’s better to start one or two places further back than have a DNF on Saturday and start the race from the back or pit lane, and potentially have a compromised car.
I’m not for gimmicks. They are obviously meant to increase viewership / ticket sales on Friday when they run quali on sprint weekends. The only way they would be interesting to me would be if they started the sprint in reverse finishing order from the previous weekend. This might encourage real racing on Saturday, but would eliminate Friday qualifying so it would defeat the purpose for F1.

Austin90 · 01-23-2022, 01:37 PM

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Agree, the sprints are rubbish.
They aren't contested because it’s better to start one or two places further back than have a DNF on Saturday and start the race from the back or pit lane, and potentially have a compromised car.
I’m not for gimmicks. They are obviously meant to increase viewership / ticket sales on Friday when they run quali on sprint weekends. The only way they would be interesting to me would be if they started the sprint in reverse finishing order from the previous weekend. This might encourage real racing on Saturday, but would eliminate Friday qualifying so it would defeat the purpose for F1.

You are absolutely right. There isn't much space you can do on such sprint races because they to short and on the other hand you risk a crush to completely damage your car.
I assume that you added the sprint races to bring something completely new to F1

DLSTR · 01-24-2022, 07:00 PM

Ferrari making the effort!!

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fe...orano/7569046/

Ferrari to run four-day F1 test at Fiorano
By: Jonathan Noble
Ferrari is to conduct a four-day test at its Fiorano test track this week as part of its build-up preparations for the new Formula 1 season.

While work is continuing on its 2022 challenger, which has a codename of 674 and is being launched on 17 February, the Maranello outfit wants to ensure its drivers and team personnel are back up to speed after the winter break.

It has therefore slated in a four-day run with last year's SF21 at its Maranello test venue for regular drivers Carlos Sainz Jr and Charles Leclerc, as well as Robert Shwartzman, who is its official test driver.

Shwartzman, who took part in last year's post-season Abu Dhabi tyre test, will start the test on Tuesday before running again on Friday. Leclerc will test on Wednesday, with Sainz getting an outing on Thursday.

As well as being an opportunity for the drivers to get back up to speed with F1 cars, Ferrari mechanics and engineers will also be on hand to get themselves best prepared as possible for the challenges ahead.

Ferrari finished third in the 2021 constructors' championship and it hopes to further close the gap on Mercedes and Red Bull this year.

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Austin90 Base Member Join Date: Dec 2021 Location: New York Posts: 18 Drives: Toyota GLI 2017 Rep Power: 4	What's going to be very interesting to watch over these few months is whether the sprint races will happen again this season. From what I've read here https://www.skysports.com/f1/news/12...Prix%20weekend, some teams are requiring F1 to get more money to fix the broken parts that went into these races. What do you think about that? Are you in favor of sprint races being held at some tracks this season as well?

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DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21267	Ferrari making the effort!! https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/fe...orano/7569046/ Ferrari to run four-day F1 test at Fiorano By: Jonathan Noble Ferrari is to conduct a four-day test at its Fiorano test track this week as part of its build-up preparations for the new Formula 1 season. While work is continuing on its 2022 challenger, which has a codename of 674 and is being launched on 17 February, the Maranello outfit wants to ensure its drivers and team personnel are back up to speed after the winter break. It has therefore slated in a four-day run with last year's SF21 at its Maranello test venue for regular drivers Carlos Sainz Jr and Charles Leclerc, as well as Robert Shwartzman, who is its official test driver. Shwartzman, who took part in last year's post-season Abu Dhabi tyre test, will start the test on Tuesday before running again on Friday. Leclerc will test on Wednesday, with Sainz getting an outing on Thursday. As well as being an opportunity for the drivers to get back up to speed with F1 cars, Ferrari mechanics and engineers will also be on hand to get themselves best prepared as possible for the challenges ahead. Ferrari finished third in the 2021 constructors' championship and it hopes to further close the gap on Mercedes and Red Bull this year.