2021 Formula 1 Thread

[DLSTR]

Grid drop his a--. He said it was the tires lol. Max the liar. Shocked I know lol

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/me...ident/6788474/

Mercedes asks for right to review over Verstappen/Hamilton Brazil incident
By:
Jonathan Noble
Nov 16, 2021, 10:47 AM
Mercedes has asked the FIA for a right to review over Max Verstappen’s driving at Formula 1’s Brazilian Grand Prix, following the appearance of new onboard footage.
Mercedes asks for right to review over Verstappen/Hamilton Brazil incident

Just hours after F1 released images of the way Verstappen drifted wide at Turn 4 on lap 48 of the Interlagos race to push Hamilton wide, the world champion team has revealed it is taking the matter further.

In a short statement published on social media, Mercedes stated: “The Mercedes-AMG Petronas team confirmed that we have today requested a Right of Review under Article 14.1.1 of the International Sporting Code, in relation to the Turn 4 incident between Car 44 and Car 33 on lap 48 of the 2021 Brazilian Grand Prix, on the basis of new evidence unavailable to the Stewards at the time of their decision.”

The rules of right of review are clear, and require that competitors bring ‘a significant and relevant new element’ that was ‘unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned.’

Mercedes will first have to prove that a new element has been discovered, and this should be straightforward with the onboard footage from Verstappen’s car.

It emerged on the Sunday night in Brazil, after the FIA decided not to investigate the Verstappen/Hamilton incident, that race control had not had access to the forward facing onboard camera from Verstappen’s car.

F1’s current technology limits just one live feed off each car and, at the time of the incident, Verstappen’s Red Bull was broadcasting its rear facing onboard.
Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB16B, battles with Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes W12

The front-facing camera footage was only available to download after the race, and that was finally made public by F1 on Tuesday.

F1 race director Michael Masi said in Brazil that the governing body had also requested the video, as he conceded it could be a ‘smoking gun’ in offering fresh insight.


“Could be, absolutely. Possibly,” he said.

“But no, we didn't have access to it. And obviously, it's being downloaded. And once the commercial rights holder supplies it, we'll have a look."

While there was no formal published documentation from the FIA stewards on the Verstappen/Hamilton incident, as an investigation was ruled out by race control, the rule book is clear that the stewards do have to make a decision when incidents are ‘noted’ in this case.

Under Article 47.1 of F1’s Sporting Regulations, it states: “The Race Director may report any on-track incident or suspected breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code (an “Incident”) to the stewards. After review it shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide whether or not to proceed with an investigation.”

The decision by Mercedes to push on with a right to review comes in the wake of Mercedes boss Toto Wolff admitting after the Brazil race of a new hardline attitude.

Having been frustrated with the FIA’s decision to exclude Lewis Hamilton from qualifying over a DRS issue, he was annoyed that Verstappen was not even investigated.

"I think we've just had many, many punches in the face this weekend with decisions that could have swung either side, against us or for us,” he said.

"When always the decisions swing against you, it's just something that I'm just angry about, and I will defend my team, my drivers to what comes.

"I've always been very diplomatic in how I discuss things. But diplomacy has ended today."

Should the FIA accept that Verstappen was in breach of the sporting rules with his driving, then it is possible that it could hand down a time-penalty for the Brazil race or impose a grid drop for the next event in Qatar.

[abm89]

Rule are rules right?! Haha

This is going to be very interesting.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

Rule are rules right?! Haha

This is going to be very interesting.

In terms of history - seems most efforts like this via Mercedes are not successful. The problem is it should have been done immediately during the race. They were able to judge LH at Silverstone. This was much less chaotic as an event. PATHETIC. FIRE MASI

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

In terms of history - seems most efforts like this via Mercedes are not successful. The problem is it should have been done immediately during the race. They were able to judge LH at Silverstone. This was much less chaotic as an event. PATHETIC. FIRE MASI

LOL, did you not comprehend what was said (just kidding). There was no way to protest until the video that shows Max's hands and his diving inputs until today.

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[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

LOL, did you not comprehend what was said (just kidding). There was no way to protest until the video that shows Max's hands and his diving inputs until today.

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Yes but they were so happy to give the verdict without the most critical angle.

[God-Speed]

FIA = INCONSISTENCY!!!!!

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Yes but they were so happy to give the verdict without the most critical angle.

Agreed and they should reverse their decision and give Max a three place grid penalty at Qatar.

I know people want to compare this incident with Silverstone but they are not the same. In that case although Lewis ran wide and missed the apex Max also didn't lift and turned in on Lewis. They were both at fault and suffered the consequences.

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[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Agreed and they should reverse their decision and give Max a three place grid penalty at Qatar.

I know people want to compare this incident with Silverstone but they are not the same. In that case although Lewis ran wide and missed the apex Max also didn't lift and turned in on Lewis. They were both at fault and suffered the consequences.

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Max just needed to THINK about something LONG TERM but gave into his bully boy ego and crossed over into LH. He DESERVED his kiss with the wall.

Deserved fully.

LH took the high road and simply passed Max later in Brazil. Max NEVER learns. He has not learned since he RUINED 2 cars in Baku including his team mate Ricci, WHO WARNED the idiots on the PitWall before Max MOVED under BRAKING LOL.

Rich, entitled and a total idiot. Thats Max - oh he is talented yes. He is so less complete than many other drivers. I give him about as much emotional IQ and Intelligence as Stroll has.

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Max just needed to THINK about something LONG TERM but gave into his bully boy ego and crossed over into LH. He DESERVED his kiss with the wall.

Deserved fully.

LH took the high road and simply passed Max later in Brazil. Max NEVER learns. He has not learned since he RUINED 2 cars in Baku including his team mate Ricci, WHO WARNED the idiots on the PitWall before Max MOVED under BRAKING LOL.

Rich, entitled and a total idiot. Thats Max - oh he is talented yes. He is so less complete than many other drivers. I give him about as much emotional IQ and Intelligence as Stroll has.

LMAO! Enough said...mic drop!!!

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[DLSTR]

https://www.ferrari.com/en-EN/formul...x-2021-preview

Losail 17 November 2021
The final triple-header of the season ends at what is a brand new venue for Formula 1. After Mexico and Brazil, Scuderia Ferrari Mission Winnow now heads for Qatar, on the coast of the Arabian Peninsula, also bordering Saudi Arabia and the Persian Gulf. It will be the first time a Grand Prix has been held here. Qatar covers an area of just over 11,500 square kilometres, with a population of 2,800,000.

The track. The track only took a year to build, thanks to a workforce of around a thousand, at a cost of 58 million US dollars. It was inaugurated in 2004, staging that year’s MotoGP, the first such race to be held at night as from 2007, when a powerful 3600 floodlight system was installed. It is 5.380 kilometres in length, with the main straight measuring 1.068 kilometres. The track is surrounded by artificial grass to prevent sand blowing onto it from the surrounding desert. The first corner is very important, as it requires very heavy braking before a quick section where it is important to carry speed before braking for turn 4, which marks the start of a section with more corners. A hairpin at turn 6 is the slowest point on the track and leads into the most technical part of the circuit. The complex of corners 12, 13 and 14 is taken as one turn, similar to the famous turn 8 at Istanbul Park. Turn 15 is a fairly quick right-hander before the final braking point on the lap. Here there is more than one possible line, which means overtaking is a possibility.

Circuit video https://motorsport.tv/embed/WoxFs3y1...tional-circuit

[abm89]

I feel like this may be a "fun to drive" but not a "fun to watch" track.

[ZCanadian]

I'm already looking ahead to Jeddah - where they will need a safety car behind the paving machines as they finish the track during FP and quali!!!!

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

LMAO! Enough said...mic drop!!!

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LOL talking trash for F1 lol Wait until I Stroll rant lol

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

LOL talking trash for F1 lol Wait until I Stroll rant lol

You do mean Stoll! LMAO

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[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

I feel like this may be a "fun to drive" but not a "fun to watch" track.

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/f1...sical/6794214/

F1 drivers expect fast Qatar track to be “physical”
By: Adam Cooper
Nov 18, 2021, 4:25 AM
Formula 1 drivers who have tried the Losail track in team simulators expect the Qatar GP venue to be challenging and tough physically.

Of those on the current grid, only Sergio Perez and Nikita Mazepin have previously raced at the track, in GP2 Asia and the MRF Challenge respectively.

Others have had to fit visits to factories and sim running around the current busy race schedule, and have only recently had the opportunity to sample Losail.

A high downforce set-up and a series of quick sweeping corners are expected to provide the drivers with a challenge.

“It's a pretty fast track,” said Lando Norris when asked by Autosport. “Not many big braking zones or anything, so it's probably going to be quite a physical one.

“I don't know how the racing or anything is going to be, I've got no idea just yet. But quite a fun track from what it looks like.”

“It is going to be a very high speed track,” said Pierre Gasly. “It is difficult to compare with any other track that we’ve been to, so it is going to be a challenge.

“Driving it in the simulator and driving-wise it seems really exciting. In terms of racing it is quite high speed and a lot of long corners, high yaw corners, so it might be difficult to follow, but we will see.

“It is probably going to be quite physical in terms of G and the minimum speed in the corners is pretty high.

“But Sao Paulo is always really difficult as well as it is anti-clockwise. When you have a triple-header the neck is still stiff from the first race and all the way through, so I think we’ll fine to Abu Dhabi.”

George Russell also acknowledged the circuit’s fast nature.

“It’s quite an enjoyable track to be honest,” said the Williams driver. “Very fast, sweeping, high downforce, a long straight as well. So I think there'll be some good racing.”