2021 Formula 1 Thread

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Originally Posted by abm89

He put on a show today in the sprint. It looked like 2007!

Saw that. He's got more and with a longer race he can get back to the front.

[axmea?]

The other POV, aside from the so called "great drive" is that there were drivers who seemingly did not put much of a fight to hold Lews off and did not put much of a defense. Even Norris who did wonders in Turkey keeping him at bay didn't put comparable effort. Yes, there were really good overtakes but man, some let themselves be dispatched too quick. Feels like they knew they'd be ahead of him on the grid on race day anyway.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by axmea?

The other POV, aside from the so called "great drive" is that there were drivers who seemingly did not put much of a fight to hold Lews off and did not put much of a defense. Even Norris who did wonders in Turkey keeping him at bay didn't put comparable effort. Yes, there were really good overtakes but man, some let themselves be dispatched too quick. Feels like they knew they'd be ahead of him on the grid on race day anyway.

Its called fighting your race and saving tires. Norris said he will not hold up LH today in the race to make sure he keeps good tires he will need later. Smart driving.

[axmea?]

What a drive!!! What a race!!!

[danegrey]

yea, it was a fun race to watch.... enjoyed, now it the rest can be like that too...

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Told ya Hamilton was going to put on a show. I knew it. When things look like chit he has the ability to dig deep and get it done.

[Ventruck]

Originally Posted by axmea?

The other POV, aside from the so called "great drive" is that there were drivers who seemingly did not put much of a fight to hold Lews off and did not put much of a defense. Even Norris who did wonders in Turkey keeping him at bay didn't put comparable effort. Yes, there were really good overtakes but man, some let themselves be dispatched too quick. Feels like they knew they'd be ahead of him on the grid on race day anyway.

I'm pulling for Max, and in all fairness I felt like the grid was making way for him as well when he had to start back in Turkey(?).

The engine is a real eyebrow raiser for me. Mercedes was down 40 seconds to RB in Mexico, now they could gain how many places and finish ahead by 10 seconds. Makes me wonder how fast these things degrade to the point a fresh unit warrants such a difference in performance.

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https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wo...hable/6782269/

Wolff: Decision not to penalise Verstappen for Turn 4 move "laughable"
By:
Luke Smith
Co-author:
Jonathan Noble
Nov 14, 2021, 3:22 PM
Toto Wolff believes the decision not to penalise Max Verstappen for his Turn 4 defence against Formula 1 title rival Lewis Hamilton was “laughable”.

Verstappen found himself in a wheel-to-wheel battle with Hamilton after the Mercedes driver managed to recover from 10th place on the grid to sit second behind his Red Bull rival.

Hamilton managed to catch Verstappen and line up a pass on lap 48 around the outside at Turn 4, only for both drivers to run off-track under braking.

Hamilton called the move “crazy” over the radio, but while the stewards noted the incident, they opted against an investigation.

Verstappen would ultimately lose out to Hamilton after being passed at the same corner 11 laps later, seeing his championship lead fall to 14 points with three races to go.

Speaking to the written media after the race, Mercedes F1 boss Wolff noted how the “whole weekend went against us” amid the various stewards’ decisions, notably Hamilton’s exclusion from qualifying on Friday.

“We had a broken part on our rear wing which we couldn’t look at, couldn’t analyse, failed the test, and after disqualified, very harsh,” Wolff said.

“And then you see on the Red Bull repairs, three times in a row on a rear wing whilst being in parc ferme with no consequence.

“That’s one thing, and obviously that really peaked with the decision in the race, which was, I mean, really wrong defence from Max, absolutely an inch over the limit, but he needed to do that to defend.

“Lewis just managed it even more brilliantly by avoiding the contact and end the race that way.

“But that was just over the line, it should have been a five-second penalty at least. Probably Max knew that. Just brushing it under the carpet, it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

“It’s just laughable.”

It marked another setback for Mercedes in its fight against Red Bull over the Brazil weekend, having seen Hamilton get excluded from qualifying after the DRS on his rear wing failed a post-session technical check.

Talking about the Turn 4 move after the race, Hamilton said he “knew that was the decision they would come to, whether it was right or wrong”, but that he didn’t want to get into whether it was fair or not, saying: “It doesn’t really matter, I got the result I needed.”

Asked by Autosport what he thought the decision would have been had Hamilton made the move on Verstappen, Wolff said: “I don’t want to claim anything on the stewards.

“I think they have a difficult life anyway. And they are only there to lose, whatever decision they take, one team is going to be grumpy. In that respect, I don’t want to be in this chair.

“But in a certain way, when you’re taking punches all weekend, and then you have such a situation on top of everything, you’re just losing faith in a way.”


Wolff said that while he was all in favour of hard racing between drivers, the rules had to be applied consistently.

"Whatever is in the director’s notes, we’re going to accept,” Wolff said.

“I’m also OK if the director’s notes are going to be shredded and we just race hard like we did today, fine.

“But if the director’s notes say that you cannot push anybody off the track in Mexico, and then obviously that’s valid here too, and then you’re actually being driven off the track, it’s just not very consistent.

“My discussion with the race director was not broadcasted, but my reaction was. We feel we’ll discuss it behind closed doors.”

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Max went way over the line. Thank goodness Hamilton was ready for his BS. It's like he knew it was going to happen.

[abm89]

Originally Posted by Ventruck

I'm pulling for Max, and in all fairness I felt like the grid was making way for him as well when he had to start back in Turkey(?).

The engine is a real eyebrow raiser for me. Mercedes was down 40 seconds to RB in Mexico, now they could gain how many places and finish ahead by 10 seconds. Makes me wonder how fast these things degrade to the point a fresh unit warrants such a difference in performance.

The AMG PU is notorious for not performing well at extreme altitudes. They made strides to improve it, but the Honda turbos perform better in that environment. I think it is related to how their compressors don't need to spin as fast to make good power at lower altitudes, which gives them room to increase turbine speeds.

On top of that, Mercedes has always had an extreme advantage with a new power unit, but Bottas could not take advantage of it before. Now the next part is speculation: it is possible now Mercedes has fixed their reliability problem, they are now able to run the engines at a higher power output. I believe the ICE that was fitted to Lewis’s car was the first one with the new fix (maybe it’s Valtteri's current engine). Combine that with the aero efficiency gains from the collapsible suspension, you get the straight-line speed we saw this weekend. I think there will be some drop in performance as the races go on, but no one knows if that’s the case now the ICE fix is in place.

In short, I think it has more to do with them now being able to run the power unit at a more aggressive level. As long as they select the same mode for qualifying and the race, it is legal.

[axmea?]

Max did what he had to do and showed he's is own racer and won't make things easy. Unlike MB driver #2 who is pretty much the Moses of motor racing. BTW, Lewis can thank DRS and a new PU. Onto the next race.

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LOL, too funny.

[JARblue]

[Hotrodz]

Max is full of himself and his arrogance has reached new heights not only in his words but his actions. He left Sergio hanging. If he would have kept Sergio in DRS range they may have had a better chance of staying out front. Max and his followers complain anytime Max is squeezed by Lewis but it is just racing when he does it. At the start of the race Bottas squeezed him slightly and Max gave him a full dose. Max also got away with making more than a double move by weaving all over the track to keep Lewis behind him and, then when told about the warning, in typical form he made a smart *** response.

The stewarts have been inconsistent all year so that is my biggest complaint. The rules are not equally enforced regardless of weather it is Max or Lewis, they pretty much have sucked it hard all season long.

I also find it hilarious that many of the orange army are singing the same old song. Lewis can only win if he has a faster car. Well, what is up with Max then. The world championship should have been decided since, pretty much up to now he has had the fastest car on grid!

The next three races are going to be exciting when or lose for either of the two front runners!

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Now folks see the difference from a boy who made himself a man and one who had everything given to him. That is why Lewis is such a force to be reckoned with. Mentally, he has had to be very very tough. Max, well, he whines like a little bitch. I rest my case.
Send it Hamilton, just send it.