2021 Formula 1 Thread

[danegrey]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

LMAO, do we want racing or not? In all other racing that would have been a racing incident. Lewis was all over Max before the incident and should have expected nothing less and he would have done the exact same thing. Max has the faster car and the championship lead, he is the hunted and need to be smarter. He should have given room and suffered the consequences and fought for the win later in the race!

Let these guys race!!!

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Also with Hamilton attacking, the broadcast was stating that MAXs race lines were off..... agree with it MAX has to learn when to back out and again, had he done it, maybe he would have won the race...

[Spooler]

What I don't get is Max blocked Hamilton 3 different times. He changed his line 3 times. WTH, Max is a whiny guy anyways. Oh well.

[axmea?]

I like the hard racing but taking someone onto the barriers isn't cool. Lewis claiming he was ahead when he was not caused it, clipping Max's tires. Stewards saw HAM in the wrong. Lewis' strategy.....send someone to the barriers. I remember Albon getting clipped LY too. His launch off the line hasn't been on par with Max in how many races now so what does he do? Good thing he didn't kill the guy.

[Spooler]

Originally Posted by axmea?

I like the hard racing but taking someone onto the barriers isn't cool. Lewis claiming he was ahead when he was not caused it, clipping Max's tires. Stewards saw HAM in the wrong. Lewis' strategy.....send someone to the barriers. I remember Albon getting clipped LY too. His launch off the line hasn't been on par with Max in how many races now so what does he do? Good thing he didn't kill the guy.

I do not agree. Max was playing stupid games and he won a stupid prize. He was all over the place. How can you predict what dumb dumb does. No way too. He has been doing it for a while and this time it caught him out.

[danegrey]

Originally Posted by Spooler

I do not agree. Max was playing stupid games and he won a stupid prize. He was all over the place. How can you predict what dumb dumb does. No way too. He has been doing it for a while and this time it caught him out.

what it really means, is that racing is no longer racing... it means if someone does do the proper thing and leave enough space, bad....

too many damn rules on what a driver can or can not do... they were in a middle of heated battle and at that speed, the slightest opps causes problems.

Max is the hunted, not the hunter now, it is a whole new game for him. In reading articles early in the year, they have always question if he is mature enough yet to be able to pull it off. If he loses this year, because he is the hunted it will be a hard lesson, but he will be a stronger driver...

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by axmea?

I like the hard racing but taking someone onto the barriers isn't cool. Lewis claiming he was ahead when he was not caused it, clipping Max's tires. Stewards saw HAM in the wrong. Lewis' strategy.....send someone to the barriers. I remember Albon getting clipped LY too. His launch off the line hasn't been on par with Max in how many races now so what does he do? Good thing he didn't kill the guy.

What makes one corner more dangerous than the next when they all are on the edge of traction. I don't think Hamilton attended to launch Max into the barriers it was a risk and reward situation I which Lewis could have suffered the same fate. Charles knew he was going to lose his position regardless and decided to give Lewis room and complete race on the podium versus a DNF.

I have seen some crazy crashes in person and they are all scary at speed. I was at the last Indy car race at Austin Club several years ago. It was the race after Wilson crashed and died at Las Vegas Speedway. All the media, drivers, some owners were talking about how dangerous the racing was because the speeds were so high, but it didn't stop the drivers from slowing down at Auto Club which was one of the fastest tracks on the schedule back in the day. My point is that even as fast as Lewis and Max were going, 160ish it is not close to 230 mph going into turn 1 and 2 at Auto Club. I watched Ryan Brisco get taken out in that race on last turn in a sprint to the finish at 180 mph in the last turn. He did a complete 180 in the air and luckily landed on his wheels. Racing is dangerous period! So far every old school driver I heard has said it is a racing incident. I know it is a gentler kinder world even in a dangerous sport. I bet Mario, Penski and AJ Foyt would say that was child's play!

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[danegrey]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

What makes one corner more dangerous than the next when they all are on the edge of traction. I don't think Hamilton attended to launch Max into the barriers it was a risk and reward situation I which Lewis could have suffered the same fate. Charles knew he was going to lose his position regardless and decided to give Lewis room and complete race on the podium versus a DNF.

I have seen some crazy crashes in person and they are all scary at speed. I was at the last Indy car race at Austin Club several years ago. It was the race after Wilson crashed and died at Las Vegas Speedway. All the media, drivers, some owners were talking about how dangerous the racing was because the speeds were so high, but it didn't stop the drivers from slowing down at Auto Club which was one of the fastest tracks on the schedule back in the day. My point is that even as fast as Lewis and Max were going, 160ish it is not close to 230 mph going into turn 1 and 2 at Auto Club. I watched Ryan Brisco get taken out in that race on last turn in a sprint to the finish at 180 mph in the last turn. He did a complete 180 in the air and luckily landed on his wheels. Racing is dangerous period! So far every old school driver I heard has said it is a racing incident. I know it is a gentler kinder world even in a dangerous sport. I bet Mario, Penski and AJ Foyt would say that was child's play!

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[JARblue]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

Too bad they didnt take each other out and let some other cool driver win!!

[abm89]

New school racer here. Racing incident was obvious to me, but I am not shocked Lewis got the penalty. I've had this happen to me / done this in karting, and understeer is like sh-t... it happens. Max could have saved himself by going wide and giving up the place for the time being. He had the pace to under-cut during the pit phase, but that's the difference between being a WDC and not being one. I can guarantee every F1 WDC (maybe except Button) would have put that car where Lewis did and let Max decide on whether he wanted to crash or not. Before Seb's spin today, all of the champs on the grid were showing everyone else how it is done.

I was rooting for Leclerc as he was doing the best thing he can do, mind his damn business and let the others crash out, but overall it was a stellar comeback from Lewis. I definitely do not wish any ill will on Max and I hope he recovers well.

[Ventruck]

Originally Posted by danegrey

Also with Hamilton attacking, the broadcast was stating that MAXs race lines were off..... agree with it MAX has to learn when to back out and again, had he done it, maybe he would have won the race...

Looking at the replay, it's not like Lewis tried at all to hit any apex. I know that's not always an optimal line and it also depends on entrance scenario, but I'm just not sure Lewis can really sit on "he just turned into me".

That's not to say Max is completely innocent here, but imo Lewis could've done his part to avoid the collision without compromising his own pace. Because the flipside would've been expecting Max to outright give up his position.

[axmea?]

HAM: "I'll pay 10 seconds for 25 points." That's a good trade off.

[ZCanadian]

Too much going on, testosterone flowing and tensions (and stakes) were high.
I can't believe it was a calculated gamble on the part of Hamilton - he could have just as likely crashed himself out and left Max to an easy win.

That was 6 corners of great racing, and then Leclerc doing what he does best - taking advantage of every opportunity and bringing that car home in a far higher position than it has any right to be in. But once Lewis caught him, the outcome was written.

Hope Max is OK. That was one hell of a shunt!

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

Too much going on, testosterone flowing and tensions (and stakes) were high.
I can't believe it was a calculated gamble on the part of Hamilton - he could have just as likely crashed himself out and left Max to an easy win.

That was 6 corners of great racing, and then Leclerc doing what he does best - taking advantage of every opportunity and bringing that car home in a far higher position than it has any right to be in. But once Lewis caught him, the outcome was written.

Hope Max is OK. That was one hell of a shunt!

F1 is the big winner in all of the drama. There was less talk several years ago when Max was talking out Ricardo at every opportunity because he couldn't beat him constantly. Max is no angel! It is racing and emotions run hot! The saying is don't be overcome by the "Red Mist" overcome you! If you are competitive you know what I am talking about. I don't think anyone wants to see a return to the Senna and Prost antics.

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[ZCanadian]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

F1 is the big winner in all of the drama. There was less talk several years ago when Max was talking out Ricardo at every opportunity because he couldn't beat him constantly. Max is no angel! It is racing and emotions run hot! The saying is don't be overcome by the "Red Mist" overcome you! If you are competitive you know what I am talking about. I don't think anyone wants to see a return to the Senna and Prost antics.

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There's certainly more discussion on boards about yesterday's race than from most one-sided Hamilton cake-walks last season.

I do think that Max has matured as a driver and as a person, tremendously in the last two years. That neither exonerates him from the collision, nor says he is perfect. Professional or no, we all feel the same desire to win, and you don't get to the pinnacle of motorsports by lifting. The pro's are just supposed to be better able to control those emotions and feelings. At least in the moment. Sometimes.

Pretty sure that the stewards would dish out some severe penalties if we had a repeat of Senna/Prost today. This was poor judgement on both sides, trying to go for the same piece of tarmac, not a deliberate attempt to end someone's race.

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

There's certainly more discussion on boards about yesterday's race than from most one-sided Hamilton cake-walks last season.



I do think that Max has matured as a driver and as a person, tremendously in the last two years. That neither exonerates him from the collision, nor says he is perfect. Professional or no, we all feel the same desire to win, and you don't get to the pinnacle of motorsports by lifting. The pro's are just supposed to be better able to control those emotions and feelings. At least in the moment. Sometimes.



Pretty sure that the stewards would dish out some severe penalties if we had a repeat of Senna/Prost today. This was poor judgement on both sides, trying to go for the same piece of tarmac, not a deliberate attempt to end someone's race.

Agreed!!!

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