2021 Formula 1 Thread

[axmea?]

What a drive!!! What a race!!!

[danegrey]

yea, it was a fun race to watch.... enjoyed, now it the rest can be like that too...

[Spooler]

Told ya Hamilton was going to put on a show. I knew it. When things look like chit he has the ability to dig deep and get it done.

[DLSTR]

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/wo...hable/6782269/

Wolff: Decision not to penalise Verstappen for Turn 4 move "laughable"
By:
Luke Smith
Co-author:
Jonathan Noble
Nov 14, 2021, 3:22 PM
Toto Wolff believes the decision not to penalise Max Verstappen for his Turn 4 defence against Formula 1 title rival Lewis Hamilton was “laughable”.

Verstappen found himself in a wheel-to-wheel battle with Hamilton after the Mercedes driver managed to recover from 10th place on the grid to sit second behind his Red Bull rival.

Hamilton managed to catch Verstappen and line up a pass on lap 48 around the outside at Turn 4, only for both drivers to run off-track under braking.

Hamilton called the move “crazy” over the radio, but while the stewards noted the incident, they opted against an investigation.

Verstappen would ultimately lose out to Hamilton after being passed at the same corner 11 laps later, seeing his championship lead fall to 14 points with three races to go.

Speaking to the written media after the race, Mercedes F1 boss Wolff noted how the “whole weekend went against us” amid the various stewards’ decisions, notably Hamilton’s exclusion from qualifying on Friday.

“We had a broken part on our rear wing which we couldn’t look at, couldn’t analyse, failed the test, and after disqualified, very harsh,” Wolff said.

“And then you see on the Red Bull repairs, three times in a row on a rear wing whilst being in parc ferme with no consequence.

“That’s one thing, and obviously that really peaked with the decision in the race, which was, I mean, really wrong defence from Max, absolutely an inch over the limit, but he needed to do that to defend.

“Lewis just managed it even more brilliantly by avoiding the contact and end the race that way.

“But that was just over the line, it should have been a five-second penalty at least. Probably Max knew that. Just brushing it under the carpet, it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

“It’s just laughable.”

It marked another setback for Mercedes in its fight against Red Bull over the Brazil weekend, having seen Hamilton get excluded from qualifying after the DRS on his rear wing failed a post-session technical check.

Talking about the Turn 4 move after the race, Hamilton said he “knew that was the decision they would come to, whether it was right or wrong”, but that he didn’t want to get into whether it was fair or not, saying: “It doesn’t really matter, I got the result I needed.”

Asked by Autosport what he thought the decision would have been had Hamilton made the move on Verstappen, Wolff said: “I don’t want to claim anything on the stewards.

“I think they have a difficult life anyway. And they are only there to lose, whatever decision they take, one team is going to be grumpy. In that respect, I don’t want to be in this chair.

“But in a certain way, when you’re taking punches all weekend, and then you have such a situation on top of everything, you’re just losing faith in a way.”


Wolff said that while he was all in favour of hard racing between drivers, the rules had to be applied consistently.

"Whatever is in the director’s notes, we’re going to accept,” Wolff said.

“I’m also OK if the director’s notes are going to be shredded and we just race hard like we did today, fine.

“But if the director’s notes say that you cannot push anybody off the track in Mexico, and then obviously that’s valid here too, and then you’re actually being driven off the track, it’s just not very consistent.

“My discussion with the race director was not broadcasted, but my reaction was. We feel we’ll discuss it behind closed doors.”

[Spooler]

Max went way over the line. Thank goodness Hamilton was ready for his BS. It's like he knew it was going to happen.

[axmea?]

Max did what he had to do and showed he's is own racer and won't make things easy. Unlike MB driver #2 who is pretty much the Moses of motor racing. BTW, Lewis can thank DRS and a new PU. Onto the next race.

[Spooler]

LOL, too funny.

[JARblue]

[Hotrodz]

Max is full of himself and his arrogance has reached new heights not only in his words but his actions. He left Sergio hanging. If he would have kept Sergio in DRS range they may have had a better chance of staying out front. Max and his followers complain anytime Max is squeezed by Lewis but it is just racing when he does it. At the start of the race Bottas squeezed him slightly and Max gave him a full dose. Max also got away with making more than a double move by weaving all over the track to keep Lewis behind him and, then when told about the warning, in typical form he made a smart *** response.

The stewarts have been inconsistent all year so that is my biggest complaint. The rules are not equally enforced regardless of weather it is Max or Lewis, they pretty much have sucked it hard all season long.

I also find it hilarious that many of the orange army are singing the same old song. Lewis can only win if he has a faster car. Well, what is up with Max then. The world championship should have been decided since, pretty much up to now he has had the fastest car on grid!

The next three races are going to be exciting when or lose for either of the two front runners!

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[Spooler]

Now folks see the difference from a boy who made himself a man and one who had everything given to him. That is why Lewis is such a force to be reckoned with. Mentally, he has had to be very very tough. Max, well, he whines like a little bitch. I rest my case.
Send it Hamilton, just send it.

[DLSTR]

Grid drop his a--. He said it was the tires lol. Max the liar. Shocked I know lol

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/me...ident/6788474/

Mercedes asks for right to review over Verstappen/Hamilton Brazil incident
By:
Jonathan Noble
Nov 16, 2021, 10:47 AM
Mercedes has asked the FIA for a right to review over Max Verstappen’s driving at Formula 1’s Brazilian Grand Prix, following the appearance of new onboard footage.
Mercedes asks for right to review over Verstappen/Hamilton Brazil incident

Just hours after F1 released images of the way Verstappen drifted wide at Turn 4 on lap 48 of the Interlagos race to push Hamilton wide, the world champion team has revealed it is taking the matter further.

In a short statement published on social media, Mercedes stated: “The Mercedes-AMG Petronas team confirmed that we have today requested a Right of Review under Article 14.1.1 of the International Sporting Code, in relation to the Turn 4 incident between Car 44 and Car 33 on lap 48 of the 2021 Brazilian Grand Prix, on the basis of new evidence unavailable to the Stewards at the time of their decision.”

The rules of right of review are clear, and require that competitors bring ‘a significant and relevant new element’ that was ‘unavailable to the parties seeking the review at the time of the decision concerned.’

Mercedes will first have to prove that a new element has been discovered, and this should be straightforward with the onboard footage from Verstappen’s car.

It emerged on the Sunday night in Brazil, after the FIA decided not to investigate the Verstappen/Hamilton incident, that race control had not had access to the forward facing onboard camera from Verstappen’s car.

F1’s current technology limits just one live feed off each car and, at the time of the incident, Verstappen’s Red Bull was broadcasting its rear facing onboard.
Max Verstappen, Red Bull Racing RB16B, battles with Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes W12

The front-facing camera footage was only available to download after the race, and that was finally made public by F1 on Tuesday.

F1 race director Michael Masi said in Brazil that the governing body had also requested the video, as he conceded it could be a ‘smoking gun’ in offering fresh insight.


“Could be, absolutely. Possibly,” he said.

“But no, we didn't have access to it. And obviously, it's being downloaded. And once the commercial rights holder supplies it, we'll have a look."

While there was no formal published documentation from the FIA stewards on the Verstappen/Hamilton incident, as an investigation was ruled out by race control, the rule book is clear that the stewards do have to make a decision when incidents are ‘noted’ in this case.

Under Article 47.1 of F1’s Sporting Regulations, it states: “The Race Director may report any on-track incident or suspected breach of these Sporting Regulations or the Code (an “Incident”) to the stewards. After review it shall be at the discretion of the stewards to decide whether or not to proceed with an investigation.”

The decision by Mercedes to push on with a right to review comes in the wake of Mercedes boss Toto Wolff admitting after the Brazil race of a new hardline attitude.

Having been frustrated with the FIA’s decision to exclude Lewis Hamilton from qualifying over a DRS issue, he was annoyed that Verstappen was not even investigated.

"I think we've just had many, many punches in the face this weekend with decisions that could have swung either side, against us or for us,” he said.

"When always the decisions swing against you, it's just something that I'm just angry about, and I will defend my team, my drivers to what comes.

"I've always been very diplomatic in how I discuss things. But diplomacy has ended today."

Should the FIA accept that Verstappen was in breach of the sporting rules with his driving, then it is possible that it could hand down a time-penalty for the Brazil race or impose a grid drop for the next event in Qatar.

[abm89]

Rule are rules right?! Haha

This is going to be very interesting.

[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by abm89

Rule are rules right?! Haha

This is going to be very interesting.

In terms of history - seems most efforts like this via Mercedes are not successful. The problem is it should have been done immediately during the race. They were able to judge LH at Silverstone. This was much less chaotic as an event. PATHETIC. FIRE MASI

[Hotrodz]

Originally Posted by DLSTR

In terms of history - seems most efforts like this via Mercedes are not successful. The problem is it should have been done immediately during the race. They were able to judge LH at Silverstone. This was much less chaotic as an event. PATHETIC. FIRE MASI

LOL, did you not comprehend what was said (just kidding). There was no way to protest until the video that shows Max's hands and his diving inputs until today.

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[DLSTR]

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

LOL, did you not comprehend what was said (just kidding). There was no way to protest until the video that shows Max's hands and his diving inputs until today.

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Yes but they were so happy to give the verdict without the most critical angle.