You aren't wrong...he damn near ended up in third place.

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Most drivers want to race and win outright and not be given a win. Hamilton did not want to win like that either. Of course he would have done the same thing. LMAO, I was talking to Steven Dougherty, X Nissan factory drive about competitive racing or competitive anything and I said the saying is if you ain't cheating you ain't trying and he replied in racing the saying is if you ain't cheating you ain't winning lol! It just didn't work out for Vettel this time.

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If I was his boss I would have given him crap for not fighting to the end for every little bit he could get.

There's a reason why refs let 'em play in the NBA and not make a foul call in the final seconds of the game. Let 'em race.

I enjoyed how VET switched place cards and stuck his middle finger at F1.

The most telling part of Vettel switching the placards was that no one from Mercedes reversed the back the other way!

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Racer's opinions.

https://uk.motor1.com/news/353852/ve...edia-reaction/

Another Ferrari tactical error could have made it worse for VET. Forgetting to tell #16 that VET had a 5 second penalty.

The man has spoken!

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...53381.html?amp



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You are not supposed to alter things such as those in parc ferme'. Vettel = classless, over rated twit.

Vettel biggest problem is Vettel. Another mistake and lost win. Unimpressive overall again.

You aren't wrong either and that is why I predicted that Vettel would make a mistake to loss the race. I am not a Vettel fan by any means and he often finds a way lose versus winning. He can't win even in a superior car.

The last 2 full season and 1/3 of this = a seriously over rated so called WDC. Ricci showed how little race craft he had at RedBull and sent Vettel off as he defeated him in equal machinery.

All the pundits, press and former F1 drivers can talk about the win being taken from him = NO. Vettel opened that door and nicely all by himself with his stupid error and then was caught steering intentionally over not leaving space per the regs in black and white. He acted like a twit after because he got got caught!!!. Deflected everything with his anger because he got caught and caused the issue himself.

In the midpack had this occurred no announcer or pundit would care. The drivers affected might as it could cost points and money at the end for teams and bonuses etc. But the world would not be ending. Vettel does this and now F1 is the joke of a series. No the joke is Seb. Period!

Used car salesman says he'd take a bullet for Putin...

http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/27...vladimir-putin

With hope it would kill both LOL

Renault driver Daniel Ricciardo has said he has heard it all before with regards to a potential move to Ferrari.

Ricciardo has reportedly emerged as a ‘Plan B’ option for the Scuderia just in case they do need to find a replacement for Sebastian Vettel.

Vettel is contracted until the end of next season with Ferrari, but he cannot escape questions about retirement at the end of the current campaign.

Whilst he has continuously rejected those retirement claims, there is no doubt that the four-time World Champion is disillusioned with how Formula 1 is ruled and governed. He does, however, still enjoy driving and racing.

Ricciardo, meanwhile, was also on a list of leading names last season to replace Kimi Raikkonen at Ferrari but, in a shock move, he ultimately decided to leave Red Bull for Renault after the Scuderia put their faith in Charles Leclerc instead.

So, the Aussie is well accustomed to the Ferrari rumours and, even if Vettel was to call it a day at the end of the year, Ricciardo will not be the man replacing him.

“To be honest, I’ve been seeing articles like for the last three or four years consecutively,” Ricciardo told Auto Express about the Ferrari rumours.

“So it’s not new to me now. I have my contract, it’s a hard contract until the end of 2020, it was a two-year deal.

“So if Seb did walk away this year, then that’s his decision, but I wouldn’t be involved in that.”

Ferrari have already ruled out a move for Ricciardo’s former team-mate Max Verstappen.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/riccia...rrari-rumours/

https://www.bbc.com/sport/formula1/48911849 -- Nice expose' on how Mercedes are run by Toto Wolff

Wow, these last two races are like a different sport. Way to go F1! I think it's time to put Vettel out to pasture.

Max has twice outraced Leclerc. As it stands right now, we know who is better between the two.

At this point firing Vettel is a 'mercy killing' LOL.

https://www.motorsportweek.com/news/id/23710 - Go Charles. Fk Vettel! :)

Jump of a cliff head first if you think the last three races were boring. Hamilton is human after all. Valtteri will not be in a Merc next year. RB/Honda and Max should go steady. Gasly should be demoted back to TR. Kimi was purely racing today but thwarted by the clutch penalty. We need more rain in these races. Renault is.......well a Renault. Great to see SV with a clean race. Leclerc will be better next year. Hope he wins at least one this year. The Dutch are such wonderful fans. Williams is just down in the dumps. And Haas, Grosjean is a joke. Too many mistakes and excuses. Why are they still holding on to this guy? Can't wait for Hungary!

That race was exhausting. Fun, but with all of the wrecks, weather changes and strategy changes and announcer conniption fits.

This was one of the best races so far this year. I hate races that are ran in the rain but this one had it all. Looking forward to the race this weekend. :driving::tup:

I hate being at rainy Grand Prix but they are fun on TV.

Boo
 

Boo! It is already out there. Why be such a baby.

https://www.foxsports.com.au/motorsp...41b0e5ea8cb2c5

:iagree:

For someone with such stature and success in the sport, he is so insecure.

Superb Hungarian GP today. Glad to have watched!!

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Holiday Break photo - San Marino 1985
 

a couple of photos from San Marino May 1985 for the holiday break time
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Now this would have never happen today, no helmet on the track?
Philippe Alliot - RAM-HART

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Eddie Cheever - Benetton Team Alfa Romeo

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Michele Alboreto - Scuderia Ferrari SpA SEFAC

Cannot remember how I got the photos, wasn't there, may have been a work associate living over there

enjoy

Mercedes motorsport strategy director James Vowles says "morsels of data" from Friday practice helped the Formula 1 team predict how Max Verstappen's tyres would behave in the Hungarian Grand Prix.

Lewis Hamilton won the race after pitting for a second time, overhauling Verstappen with four laps remaining as the Red Bull driver struggled on ageing hard Pirelli tyres.

All teams were compromised by limited dry running on Friday, but Vowles said Mercedes was able to construct models that allowed the team to predict how Verstappen's tyres would perform.

"Going into the race we had less data than normal due to the wet running on Friday," said Vowles in Mercedes' post-race Pure Pitwall video.

"No one had long run the hard tyre - run it with fuel to understand the wear, the degradation and how it would progress in the race.

"And that creates a lot of unknowns. Everyone went into the race, ourselves included, with the intention of one-stopping.

"As we went in it was clear there was no undercut opportunity, our next plan was to offset ourselves on tyres relative to Verstappen and then force him into a situation where he is using his hard tyre resource as much as possible, and maybe put him off the curve.

"As Verstappen and Lewis started to pull away from the field, it became obvious that other opportunities existed, which in our case, was a two-stop.

"We have a team behind the scenes that are working tirelessly. They took the morsels of data from Friday, the little running that we had, and constructed models as to how our tyres and Verstappen's tyres would perform during the race. And they were spot on.

"It is those models that enable us to understand that two-stop would very much lead to a fantastic situation at the end of the race, and that Verstappen's tyres should drop off the curve if we can pressure him enough.

"We had 20 seconds of race time that we had to make up, and then we had to overtake Verstappen at the end of the race. Lewis, rightly so, had concerns about that but every lap he delivered the lap time we needed in order to do that.

"It caused Verstappen to have to respond and fight hard and use the tyre he had available to him to pull that gap further, but it was with no avail, ultimately. He fell off the tyre curve, as the team predicted, and we ended up with the win."

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14...to-win-hungary

DLSTR, good read. :tup: Now if the Ferrari Team thought this way they might have a win or two. :ugh2:

interesting note, just watch BBC America TopGear, they had a segment on the Lotus79 that ran in 1978. The car was 2 seconds faster than the rest of field when it was introduced. They went on to dominate.

So for as much as we would like to see more action, teams/drivers do dominate. There are other examples. so nothing really has changed.

The interesting item was they showed the 78 rule book vs 2019 rule book and I swear the 78 rule book was 10% of the current rule book.

Cheers

Current Mercedes Team descendant of Tyrrell
I was watching a youtube about the Tyrrell P34
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adsyJLzGIpA

At the end, they were talking about what happen to Tyrrell from the Tyrrell Racing wiki
The double championship-winning Brawn GP team of 2009 and the present Mercedes team can loosely be said to be descendants of Tyrrell, through its predecessors, Honda Racing F1 and BAR. While BAR bought the Tyrrell F1 team and entry, they used a different factory, chassis builder and engine – most of the former Tyrrell cars and equipment were sold to Paul Stoddart, later owner of the Minardi F1 team.

When team boss Ross Brawn led a management buyout of the Honda F1 team to compete in the 2009 season, a revival of the Tyrrell name was briefly considered when deciding what to call the new team.[7]

Just found it interesting

As of the 2019 Hungarian Grand Prix, the teams which descended from Tyrrell have won 97 Grands Prix, 6 Drivers' and 6 Constructors' championships.

The Minardi 2-seater F1 cars are modifications of the 1998 Tyrrell 026 design, most noticeable in the distinctive shape of the nose of the car. These cars still run in demos today, most recently as demo cars during the launch of the Yas Marina F1 track.

F1 back on track!

Gasly "Shocked about his demotion to Toro Rosso". Why? Because clueless.

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...pFVzAL3Jo.html

Hope you guys enjoyed the US Grand Prix yesterday. I thought it was a good race. I found it interesting how much the drivers complained about how bumpy the track was. This is old news. The IMSA guys talked about this and they have not been at COTA in two year. This was also a big complaint from the MOTO GP riders as well. The Track is set to be closed over the winter for major improvements. Hopefully that means resurfacing the whole track not just parts of it. Any way just two race to go for the 2019 season.:tup:

yes, it was a bit exciting there at the end, wished Mexico would have played out better

For the whole 2019 season, the midfield is exciting, but the front is very boring...