Formula-1 2017...!!

Hotrodz · 10-12-2017, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JARblue

Semantics. No one is arguing that the difference between the two Mercedes F1 cars is like the difference between a Ford Focus and a Honda Civic.

The point is that the cars on track are not equal. Therefore, the same driver in a different car may produce different end results. There are lots of variables here, of course, that determine how much difference there is. And it will pretty much always be a "what if" scenario. But those variables are what give some validity to the discussion/question of "how would driver X fare in driver Y's car?". Cars on the same team are going to be closer in that regard, but I still wonder if Lewis or Seb could race the same in their respective teammate's car for a weekend. Not sure that's a question that can actually be answered though.

This is what happened to Hamilton last year and nobody said anything because a lot of people like to hate on those that win all the time. Essentially Hamilton's pit team including his engineers were given to Nikko and he still would have beat him if not for engine reliability and bad decision making by Totto and company. Mercedes wanted a German to be a champion and they gave it to Nikko. Such ate the politics in sports entertainment!

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DLSTR · 10-12-2017, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

This is what happened to Hamilton last year and nobody said anything because a lot of people like to hate on those that win all the time. Essentially Hamilton's pit team including his engineers were given to Nikko and he still would have beat him if not for engine reliability and bad decision making by Totto and company. Mercedes wanted a German to be a champion and they gave it to Nikko. Such ate the politics in sports entertainment!

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LH didnt race to win and changed his routine this year. He didnt walk the track at Baku and in short terms, Rosberg beat him by driving smarter and working harder. When LH had bad luck with a motor he suffered for not working hard and driving smarter to make his luck/situation better. There was no conspiracy at all behind Nico's win. It came together for him like its coming together for LH this year with a little help from Ferrari and unreliability. Thats it. Period.

Hotrodz · 10-12-2017, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

LH didnt race to win and changed his routine this year. He didnt walk the track at Baku and in short terms, Rosberg beat him by driving smarter and working harder. When LH had bad luck with a motor he suffered for not working hard and driving smarter to make his luck/situation better. There was no conspiracy at all behind Nico's win. It came together for him like its coming together for LH this year with a little help from Ferrari and unreliability. Thats it. Period.

Lol, if Rosberg is so much better why did he quit after winning the championship? Makes no sense as every other champion wants to defend their championship or win a second one to prove that it was not fluke. Rosberg knew he was not number 1 and took his ball and went home! He won the championship but he is and never will be the driver Hamilton, Vettel, or Alonzo are period!

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alcheng · 10-12-2017, 12:18 PM

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I can't say it's the majority but as far as I read from most the "comments area" from many F1 websites, a lot of fans are asking to bring back the NA V10 or even V12.

Pretty sure they will not bring back the NA, but do you guys feel the current PU is too costly and too complicated ?

MaysEffect · 10-12-2017, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by alcheng

.... a lot of fans are asking to bring back the NA V10 or even V12.

Pretty sure they will not bring back the NA, but do you guys feel the current PU is too costly and too complicated ?

Efficiency cost money to do it right. I'd personally like to see open engine options like in the past. v6th, v8h, v10 n/a. each with different weight penalties.

Unquestionably most teams will still choose the v6th. With more privateers opting for a more reliable n/a engine. An n/a alternative would bring several companies back in to the sport. BMW, Cosworth, VAG...

The v6th is for sure the most expensive and most complicated engine, but the level of efficiency is unmatched for the performance. In only 4 years of the formula it has already surpassed the performance of the best v10 engines with TC and less weight. It took almost 10 years of v10 development to reach its pinnacle. Granted there was a significant technological boom on going during its evolution. I don't see how much more power can be extracted from n/a engines. Having a v8 or v10 turbo hybrid would weigh too much and cost even more.

I think however the promoters should televise historical gp car racing, and have more drivers be able to race the older cars on shorter sessions. Like 15-25 laps. Teams already using the old chassis for promotional work.

This would cost a lot of money though to have multiple races with multiple cars per team.

DLSTR · 10-12-2017, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Lol, if Rosberg is so much better why did he quit after winning the championship? Makes no sense as every other champion wants to defend their championship or win a second one to prove that it was not fluke. Rosberg knew he was not number 1 and took his ball and went home! He won the championship but he is and never will be the driver Hamilton, Vettel, or Alonzo are period!

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He quit after achieving his goal. Drivers leave F1. After 2 years or 10. This is most certainly not news. He is a WDC period. Do you realize how long he had been in F1. Nico did what he wanted with his life. That is what life is about. I dont see him leaning on F1 the way some drivers do like Kimi. The ultimate one title waste of time. His last win was when??????????

I never said Nico was better but last year he drover smarter and worked harder. Do you know how much karting he was doing after races and even before the season to refine his race -craft? Thats called working to win. LH is doing alot of what Nico did last year. Too bad he wasnt in 2016. Lauda blamed him for Spain and bluntly. Simple fact is LH didnt make his luck when he needed it. Considering the gap Bottas has to LH it makes it more apparent how good Nico was. Nico had his own share of bad luck and unreliability and he got it right, won the title and left on top. What the fk is that ....failure??

Hotrodz · 10-12-2017, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

He quit after achieving his goal. Drivers leave F1. After 2 years or 10. This is most certainly not news. He is a WDC period. Do you realize how long he had been in F1. Nico did what he wanted with his life. That is what life is about. I dont see him leaning on F1 the way some drivers do like Kimi. The ultimate one title waste of time. His last win was when??????????

I never said Nico was better but last year he drover smarter and worked harder. Do you know how much karting he was doing after races and even before the season to refine his race -craft? Thats called working to win. LH is doing alot of what Nico did last year. Too bad he wasnt in 2016. Lauda blamed him for Spain and bluntly. Simple fact is LH didnt make his luck when he needed it. Considering the gap Bottas has to LH it makes it more apparent how good Nico was. Nico had his own share of bad luck and unreliability and he got it right, won the title and left on top. What the fk is that ....failure??

Obviously you are a Nico fan and that is cool and you don't have to take my comments so personal. He is a world champion and I don't know anything about his life goals. Maybe it was something he needed to do because it was his daddy's dream and not his? I really doesn't matter because he is yesterday's news and unlike Kimi he is no longer relevant. If Nico comes back we can carry on the discussion. Cheers Mate!

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alcheng A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Toronto Posts: 28,894 Drives: 2011 ZR PW w/Clutch Rep Power: 418353	2021 engine reveal set for October 31 \| PlanetF1 : PlanetF1 I can't say it's the majority but as far as I read from most the "comments area" from many F1 websites, a lot of fans are asking to bring back the NA V10 or even V12. Pretty sure they will not bring back the NA, but do you guys feel the current PU is too costly and too complicated ?