Formula-1 2017...!!

MaysEffect

When has this not been the case? lol

I love when people make this useless argument about putting the winning drivers in the worst cars. The top drivers already proved their potential by being the fastest in the lower series.

Vettel and Hamilton have already faced each other on equal terms back in F3 years ago. Guess who won.....
Alonso and Hamilton already raced each other in equal cars back in 2007...Guess who won.

Hamilton is beating Bottas now with equal cars. At the beginning of the year everyone was making remarks that Bottas would wipe the floor with Hamilton... yet he is struggling to even beat the Ferrari of Vettel.

So really, how valid is this silly argument about saying it's all the car and not the driver.

ayrton88

Couldn't agree more. Most all of the Driver Champions have had the best car. I'm by no means a Hamilton fan, but at the moment it is clear he is the best.
If Vettel had his his idol Schumacher's temperment, he might be. If things don't go his way he just whines and seems to take his mind off the prize.

Cyber370

You really believe that?

They do not have equal cars and neither do Vettel and Raikkonen. F1 teams do whatever they can get away with to make their top driver win. It's part of the game.

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MaysEffect

Right. so Bottas is using a 2015 engine an non efficient aero packaging just so Lewis can be the top driver. yet he got 2 wins and a pole this year...

And Raikkonen some how is using parts made for Sauber so he can't beat Vettel.

Cyber370

It's called Tuning! Same engines, different settings. Same goes for chassis/suspension/aero setup. I would love to see Hamilton switch cars with Bottas during a race............LOL.

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MaysEffect

So how is that a different car? Each driver is open to tuning the car how they see fit. The teams do not have to automatically put the same tuning parameters on both cars just because one is faster. The parts for both cars are the same unless stated otherwise, and we can visually see chassis differences and more times than not almost all team cars are identical outside of the adjustable parts such as winglets and alignment.

Just like in Malaysia where both Mercedes cars came with new aero packages. Hamilton decided to revert back to the old one, because HE did not like the upgrade. are you saying Mercedes restricted Bottas from doing the same? absolutely not. Hamilton decided to make his changes during practice, where Bottas did not. under Parc Ferme for qualifying, you are restricted on changes or it will result in a penalty.

There are of course times teams will put more effort in extracting a better setup for one car over the other, but each driver has there own team of mechanics. It's there job to get the most out of the car. You saying the cars are not equal because of this is a joke. .

alcheng

Actually, there's no need to differ the two cars, because there's....

Cyber370

That’s the point I was trying to make! How are cars with different setups and engine settings the "same"?

Yes I know the cars are physically the same. But the tuning and setup are not and not just because of driver preference. For example, a team may setup one car to be faster and the other slower but more reliable. Another example, they may build one engine to consume a little bit more oil than the other thus making it slightly faster. The two engines are technically the same but they do not perform the same. It’s all F1 team strategy. It's also what's wrong with F1. Good for the teams, bad for the drivers and spectators.

I'll bet if Mercedes had decided at the beginning of the season that Bottas was their man, he would be leading in points right now, not Hamilton.


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