I guess so.

it's going to be a real test for the design team at McLaren if this is real...

https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...da-for-renault

Should be an interesting race this weekend. Mercedes not at all fave's on this track. Id like to see Red Bull do well here too!

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We wont have testing until Jan so they have some time to sort it. Im thinking they have been working this issue.

Al this was written by Gary Anderson a former F1 mech and respected engineer earlier this season when Mercedes and Mclaren were in touch about engine supply -Via Autosport
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How easy would it be for McLaren to adapt its car for a Mercedes engine, given the similarities with the Honda engine?
Guus van Lienen, via email

It's a lot easier to change the power unit package today than it was a few years ago. One of the more useful things the FIA has done over the past few years is to define the length of the engine bay and the engine-to-chassis and engine-to-gearbox pick-up-point locations.

This means that the overall geometry of the cars can be fairly similar. It's the detail of the intrusions into the chassis and gearbox for the oil tank, hydraulics, turbo, etc, as well as the cooling system's requirements, that will be the time-consuming design process.

Performance doesn't just come by doing something like fitting a Mercedes engine, it comes from sorting the detail out better than the other teams using the same componentry.

When you have teams like Mercedes itself, Force India and Williams using the same power unit since 2014, they will have gone through all the permutations on the installation and have ended up where they are currently.

To get to this level and also be in a position to maximise the use of a very different power unit at the circuit will not be easy or immediate - even with the experience of running the engine in 2014.

If McLaren makes this shift then it will still take time for it to get up to speed. Mercedes will probably help (but not that much), but remember the two are in competition and the last thing Mercedes needs to do is jeopardise its own championship-winning potential.

ahhh..... I think my post is too short... I didn't state exactly what I mean...


what I mean "it's going to be a real test to the design team at McLaren"....


next year they are going to use the same engine as Red Bull, and it's already stated they will have engine parity as RB and Renault.

Thus it's going to be a real test to McLaren next season to have a very good chassis, at least as good as Red Bull if not better.

Since the 2015 season, McLaren has always been hindered by the Honda engine thus even the team says it is affecting the development of the chassis since the lacking of horsepower.

Although this season has shown McLaren is doing well at some low-speed circuits, it is still an unknown how will the chassis response to an engine that gives out full power.


Expectation on McLaren is always high, very high, thus the pressure is going to be heavy on the 2018 season since they are having a "normal" engine.

Their face will be torn if they cannot finish higher than Red Bull.

Wet night race, first time ever!!!

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Crazy event was it not?? Wow......

what a sparkling start... :ugh2:

I think... Vettel did initial the chain-reaction....

really feel bad for raikkonen and alonso....

I was so pissed off. I debated not watching the rest of the race.

Vettel caused it, but not intentionally IMO. There is no way he could see Raikkonen coming up on the other side. Nor could he fathom that Raikkonen could have such a good start.

Tight track so the Ferrari strategy was to pin the Red Bull 33 going into T1 and lock 1/2. It backfired taking all three out. I turned it off by lap 6. It was bad.

regardless whose fault...

if you were in verstappen's position, will you lift thus avoiding the squeeze?

of cos you don't want to lose the position but you know things gonna go bad if you don't lift.

i would have lifted then fight back.




yes, it's true vettel was moving towards verstappen..

but, verstappen's also moved towards raikkonen....

in fact, he squeezed into raikkonen's right-rear first, at that moment, there's still quite a bit of room between himself and vettel..

it was rough. despite what's showing we see it differently. no one's going to give up that corner 'cause that's the winning corner with such a tight track. Kimi's launch was terrific but both reds converged to pin down #33. bottom line it was an ugly race. a good chunk of the field retired.

I knew it was going to be another boring Hamilton victory parade race after what happened. Turned it off after about 30 minutes. The whole series has become a joke.

Couldn't agree more. Street races suck....even Monaco. Can't pass and tons of Safety cars. The same reason I can't watch Indycar. In F1 they only exist because of all the money the promoters and governments were willing to pay Bernie. Maybe that will change with his departure. Also the cars sound like crap. I want that 18K scream back. If it was up to me they would run a spec engine. A naturally aspirated Ferrari V-12.