Obama's inaugural choice sparks outrage

BanningZ · 12-20-2008, 08:36 PM

First off I'm bothered that we have an Inaugural Prayer. wtf? Seems weird that its not being questioned, that we are mixing church and state as the first act of a new administration.

Secondly. There were a lot of people during the civil rights movement of the 1950's, 60s, and early 70's that claimed it was their personal belief that Blacks were not equal to whites, or that blacks should not be integrated into public schools, and other public institutions. They said it wasn't discrimination, it was just their personal belief, but today we call those people bigots. This is not by any means an attack on anyone here and their beliefs but remember that as time moves on, people reflect of their past beliefs and reconsider them.
Gays and Lesbians are people that deserve every right that any straight people deserve.
Gays and Lesbians overwhelmingly voted for Obama, and to have a person like Warren, with such discriminatory beliefs make Obama's inaugural prayer is pretty insulting to the very people that helped get him elected.

just my two cents.

Edit: SnakeBitten, no you are not the Worst person in th woooorrrllldd! LOL. I think you made some very valid points. I actually would not have included my first part about inagural prayer if I had seen your post first. Opinions are like a55holes, we all have...etc. Good post.

SnakeBitten · 12-21-2008, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by BanningZ

First off I'm bothered that we have an Inaugural Prayer. wtf? Seems weird that its not being questioned, that we are mixing church and state as the first act of a new administration.

Secondly. There were a lot of people during the civil rights movement of the 1950's, 60s, and early 70's that claimed it was their personal belief that Blacks were not equal to whites, or that blacks should not be integrated into public schools, and other public institutions. They said it wasn't discrimination, it was just their personal belief, but today we call those people bigots. This is not by any means an attack on anyone here and their beliefs but remember that as time moves on, people reflect of their past beliefs and reconsider them.
Gays and Lesbians are people that deserve every right that any straight people deserve.
Gays and Lesbians overwhelmingly voted for Obama, and to have a person like Warren, with such discriminatory beliefs make Obama's inaugural prayer is pretty insulting to the very people that helped get him elected.

just my two cents.

Edit: SnakeBitten, no you are not the Worst person in th woooorrrllldd! LOL. I think you made some very valid points. I actually would not have included my first part about inagural prayer if I had seen your post first. Opinions are like a55holes, we all have...etc. Good post.

Hehe...Thanks. BTW I always have a problem with the Gay struggle being equated with the Black struggle. Totally different things. But I understand why the Gays and every other minority group hitches a ride on the Black Struggle Civil Rights bandwagon. I just hope we dont see NAMBLA or beastiality lovers on that bandwagon. Dont know if they have enough room left in that long azzed name the Gays have for there foundation

BanningZ · 12-21-2008, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten

Hehe...Thanks. BTW I always have a problem with the Gay struggle being equated with the Black struggle. Totally different things. But I understand why the Gays and every other minority group hitches a ride on the Black Struggle Civil Rights bandwagon. I just hope we dont see NAMBLA or beastiality lovers on that bandwagon. Dont know if they have enough room left in that long azzed name the Gays have for there foundation

ouch. Now don't go equating gays and pedophilia. Studies have shown that it is primarily striaght men that get into pedophilia because of previous Sex abuse when they were young.

I can agree that the civil rights comparison can be abused, just like the Nazi comparison (see: Godwin's law) but I truly believe in this case it is very valid. They are a respectable group of people vieing for the same rights that the rest of us have and wish to continue enjoying. Either way I like to play devils advocate, and can see both sides in this(within reason). i personally still see denying marriage to the gay community as discrimination.

SnakeBitten · 12-21-2008, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by BanningZ

ouch. Now don't go equating gays and pedophilia. Studies have shown that it is primarily striaght men that get into pedophilia because of previous Sex abuse when they were young.

I can agree that the civil rights comparison can be abused, just like the Nazi comparison (see: Godwin's law) but I truly believe in this case it is very valid. They are a respectable group of people vieing for the same rights that the rest of us have and wish to continue enjoying. Either way I like to play devils advocate, and can see both sides in this(within reason). i personally still see denying marriage to the gay community as discrimination.

I was marely stating that anything that wasnt formerly the "norm" now has one blanket in the Gay and Lesbian transgender blah blah blah. That is one long name and I dont remember all of the "special" orientation groups they represent lol....All Im saying is it wont be long before other "special" orientation groups jump on the same bandwagon.

BTW I dont put much faith in studies. They are like dyno numbers. It can be made to show whatever it needs to to suit any agenda or popular social thinking. As an example NAMBLA did studies too with real psychologist etc and their results showed that the young men that were involved were well adjusted and benefited from that sort of deviant relationship.

See where Im coming from? I remember in the 90's when this Gay agenda really took off some scientists sympathetic to gays were finding gay fish, dogs etc

I think they are still looking for a gay gene in humans.

As a headcrack Marriage was institued by God. Homosexuality is directly opposed to Gods laws. So why should they be allowed to openly violate religious laws for there desires? Thats thumbing your nose at God and telling him to his face you know what. I guess God has no say in the matter lol. We really have become a Godless society. Ah well it was foretold. This is exactly why there should be a separation of church and state.

Anyway the reality is that it will happen. They will get Marriage. Its in keeping with the times we are living in that is if you belive in the good book.

BanningZ · 12-21-2008, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by SnakeBitten

I was marely stating that anything that wasnt formerly the "norm" now has one blanket in the Gay and Lesbian transgender blah blah blah. That is one long name and I dont remember all of the "special" orientation groups they represent lol....All Im saying is it wont be long before other "special" orientation groups jump on the same bandwagon.

BTW I dont put much faith in studies. They are like dyno numbers. It can be made to show whatever it needs to to suit any agenda or popular social thinking. As an example NAMBLA did studies too with real psychologist etc and their results showed that the young men that were involved were well adjusted and benefited from that sort of deviant relationship.

See where Im coming from? I remember in the 90's when this Gay agenda really took off some scientists sympathetic to gays were finding gay fish, dogs etc

I think they are still looking for a gay gene in humans.

As a headcrack Marriage was institued by God. Homosexuality is directly opposed to Gods laws. So why should they be allowed to openly violate religious laws for there desires? Thats thumbing your nose at God and telling him to his face you know what. I guess God has no say in the matter lol. We really have become a Godless society. Ah well it was foretold. This is exactly why there should be a separation of church and state.

Anyway the reality is that it will happen. They will get Marriage. Its in keeping with the times we are living in that is if you belive in the good book.

Done. <<<<Atheist. I respect your views. This argument gets nowhere at this point. Peace.

nogoodname · 12-20-2008, 10:24 PM

Inaugural Prayer????????????? what the...........

shumby · 12-20-2008, 10:38 PM

they got in god we trust on ther money why not have a prayer

BanningZ · 12-20-2008, 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shumby

they got in god we trust on ther money why not have a prayer

In God we trust was first put on money in 1957. Time for a change?

In God We Trust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The motto In God We Trust was placed on United States coins largely because of the increased religious sentiment existing during the American Civil War. Secretary of the Treasury Salmon P. Chase received many appeals from devout Christians throughout the country, urging that the United States recognize God on United States coins.

The same thing with the pledge of allegiance.

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The pledge was written in 1892 by the socialist Francis Bellamy, a cousin of the famous radical writer Edward Bellamy. He devised it for the popular magazine Youth's Companion on the occasion of the nation's first celebration of Columbus Day. Its wording omitted reference not only to God but also, interestingly, to the United States:

"I pledge allegiance to my flag and the republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

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The efforts to bring God into the state reached their peak during the so-called "religious revival" of the 1950s. It was a time when Norman Vincent Peale grafted religion onto the era's feel-good consumerism in his best-selling The Power of Positive Thinking; when Billy Graham rose to fame as a Red-baiter who warned that Americans would perish in a nuclear holocaust unless they embraced Jesus Christ; when Secretary of State John Foster Dulles believed that the United States should oppose communism not because the Soviet Union was a totalitarian regime but because its leaders were atheists.

shumby · 12-20-2008, 11:30 PM

blaaaaa lolz

shumby · 12-21-2008, 05:29 PM

i'd give you 2 guys both reps but I have given out to meny in the last 24 hrs and cannot. nice to see we can have a civil debate and all still be friends.

SnakeBitten · 12-22-2008, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by shumby

i'd give you 2 guys both reps but I have given out to meny in the last 24 hrs and cannot. nice to see we can have a civil debate and all still be friends.

Today's a new day

18rgcelica73 · 12-23-2008, 10:45 AM

Yeah what's the deal I only have 2 and I post a lot as well. Sniff, sniff, nobody loves little ol' me.

shumby · 12-21-2008, 05:49 PM

^^^^ you know what does make sense? Buying a black 370Z now that makes sense.

18rgcelica73 · 12-21-2008, 05:54 PM

^ Damn man you keep making me laugh.

jrurbin · 12-21-2008, 06:02 PM

How does this effect our lives?

12-20-2008, 08:36 PM	#1 (permalink)
BanningZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: nowhere Posts: 5,478 Drives: 06' Nismo Frontier Rep Power: 29	First off I'm bothered that we have an Inaugural Prayer. wtf? Seems weird that its not being questioned, that we are mixing church and state as the first act of a new administration. Secondly. There were a lot of people during the civil rights movement of the 1950's, 60s, and early 70's that claimed it was their personal belief that Blacks were not equal to whites, or that blacks should not be integrated into public schools, and other public institutions. They said it wasn't discrimination, it was just their personal belief, but today we call those people bigots. This is not by any means an attack on anyone here and their beliefs but remember that as time moves on, people reflect of their past beliefs and reconsider them. Gays and Lesbians are people that deserve every right that any straight people deserve. Gays and Lesbians overwhelmingly voted for Obama, and to have a person like Warren, with such discriminatory beliefs make Obama's inaugural prayer is pretty insulting to the very people that helped get him elected. just my two cents. Edit: SnakeBitten, no you are not the Worst person in th woooorrrllldd! LOL. I think you made some very valid points. I actually would not have included my first part about inagural prayer if I had seen your post first. Opinions are like a55holes, we all have...etc. Good post. __________________ Become a Premium Member: Click HERE MB 06' Nismo VQ40DE Last edited by BanningZ; 12-20-2008 at 08:40 PM.

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shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 45 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 237	they got in god we trust on ther money why not have a prayer __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

12-20-2008, 11:30 PM	#9 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 45 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 237	blaaaaa lolz __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

12-21-2008, 05:29 PM	#10 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 45 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 237	i'd give you 2 guys both reps but I have given out to meny in the last 24 hrs and cannot. nice to see we can have a civil debate and all still be friends. __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam

12-23-2008, 10:45 AM	#12 (permalink)
18rgcelica73 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fresno Posts: 330 Drives: 03 ep3 vbp 6speed Rep Power: 17	Yeah what's the deal I only have 2 and I post a lot as well. Sniff, sniff, nobody loves little ol' me. __________________ I have a 350rwhp 1973 18rg turbo powered Toyota celica, a 2003 civic si which will be my down payment for a beautiful MONTEREY BLUE 370z. THE370Z.COM F'IN RULES!

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nogoodname Lifetime Premium Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Montreal Posts: 22,357 Drives: E46 M3 Rep Power: 1765	Inaugural Prayer????????????? what the...........

12-21-2008, 05:49 PM	#13 (permalink)
shumby Captin Canuck Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: with your mom Age: 45 Posts: 6,288 Drives: your sister Rep Power: 237	^^^^ you know what does make sense? Buying a black 370Z now that makes sense. __________________ Originally Posted by SAM@GTM Engine detonation is not normal and it should never never happen, and whoever told that need to do something else for living . Sam Last edited by shumby; 12-21-2008 at 05:55 PM.

12-21-2008, 05:54 PM	#14 (permalink)
18rgcelica73 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Fresno Posts: 330 Drives: 03 ep3 vbp 6speed Rep Power: 17	^ Damn man you keep making me laugh. __________________ I have a 350rwhp 1973 18rg turbo powered Toyota celica, a 2003 civic si which will be my down payment for a beautiful MONTEREY BLUE 370z. THE370Z.COM F'IN RULES!

12-21-2008, 06:02 PM	#15 (permalink)
jrurbin Base Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: cali Posts: 63 Drives: ECLIPSE Rep Power: 17	How does this effect our lives?

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