Affected by Government Shutdown?

H2O_Doc · 09-30-2013, 08:01 AM

Without turning this into political commentary or a political discussion, will any of you be directly affected by the possible (likely) shutdown? I will likely be forced out of the office for the duration (although not 100% clear). I have lots of nervous employees.

eastwest2300 · 09-30-2013, 08:11 AM

Yeah, im in the same boat.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by H2O_Doc

Without turning this into political commentary or a political discussion, will any of you be directly affected by the possible (likely) shutdown? I will likely be forced out of the office for the duration (although not 100% clear). I have lots of nervousness employees.

We ALL should be concerned! If you're the President or part of the federal government(Republican or Democrat) than you have nothing to worry about.

Why don't you just "raise your personal debt ceiling"?

Sorry for that^^^^. I'm a foreign born American that truly loves this country & have much concern/worry that our country is losing it and turning into a joke

Good luck to you.

Cmike2780 · 09-30-2013, 09:15 AM

Agree or disagree with Obamacare, one thing is for certain, you don't use a government shutdown as leverage to get what you want. It sets a terrible precedent for future actions....so is the upcoming debt ceiling issue. It's such an idiotic move for Republicans, namely Ted Cruz. Obamacare hasn't even been fully implemented yet, which means they don't have a measurable counterargument on why it doesn't work. In any case, right now they're basically saying, take away health care for millions or else hundreds of thousands will be unemployed for 3-4 weeks or more. That's a terrible gamble especially when they'll have no problem receiving their paychecks or medical coverage while all of this is going on.

eastwest2300 · 09-30-2013, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Agree or disagree with Obamacare, one thing is for certain, you don't use a government shutdown as leverage to get what you want. It sets a terrible precedent for future actions....so is the upcoming debt ceiling issue. It's such an idiotic move for Republicans, namely Ted Cruz. Obamacare hasn't even been fully implemented yet, which means they don't have a measurable counterargument on why it doesn't work. In any case, right now they're basically saying, take away health care for millions or else hundreds of thousands will be unemployed for 3-4 weeks or more. That's a terrible gamble especially when they'll have no problem receiving their paychecks or medical coverage while all of this is going on.

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Agree or disagree with Obamacare, one thing is for certain, you don't use a government shutdown as leverage to get what you want. It sets a terrible precedent for future actions....so is the upcoming debt ceiling issue. It's such an idiotic move for Republicans, namely Ted Cruz. Obamacare hasn't even been fully implemented yet, which means they don't have a measurable counterargument on why it doesn't work. In any case, right now they're basically saying, take away health care for millions or else hundreds of thousands will be unemployed for 3-4 weeks or more. That's a terrible gamble especially when they'll have no problem receiving their paychecks or medical coverage while all of this is going on.

A ******* men. Ted Cruz is asscancer.

eastwest2300 · 09-30-2013, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

A ******* men. Ted Cruz is asscancer.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300

"raise the debt ceiling" That's not a good thing. We can't do that when it comes to our personal financing. Also raising the debt ceiling, for those that don't understand, is being allowed to spend more money(again) than the Govt. makes/has. This will end soon because the reason we can do that with minimal hurt now is because the oil producers have a deal with us that ALL payments made by ALL countries is done with U.S. dollars. That is the biggest reason why the dollar still has strength. Unfortunately, the oil producers are seriously thinking (fact!) of dropping the U.S. dollar as the main payment for oil. When that happens, & it will soon, the dollar will fall & everything will jump in price. That's EVERYTHING! So soon most of us will become poor overnight. Not able to afford the things we take for granted today. We will owe/in debt for over 20 trillion dollars by next Pres. election 2016.

As far as Obama care, it will be another huge govt. bureaucracy paid by the WORKING TAX PAYERS that will support people with families or not, that have NOT worked or paid taxes a single time in their lives. Let's take the guy that spends his days selling drugs in the park. He has all the time in the world & will be able to go to YOUR doctor AHEAD of you. Also the Government TODAY already pays for FREE cab service to people that don't earn/report making a living/paying taxes.

That is why the projected costs especially for the young/younger tax payers is very high, and as you know project costs ALWAYS end up higher.

So my friend above

Chuck33079 · 09-30-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

"raise the debt ceiling" That's not a good thing. We can't do that when it comes to our personal financing. Also raising the debt ceiling, for those that don't understand, is being allowed to spend more money(again) than the Govt. makes/has. This will end soon because the reason we can do that with minimal hurt now is because the oil producers have a deal with us that ALL payments made by ALL countries is done with U.S. dollars. That is the biggest reason why the dollar still has strength. Unfortunately, the oil producers are seriously thinking (fact!) of dropping the U.S. dollar as the main payment for oil. When that happens, & it will soon, the dollar will fall & everything will jump in price. That's EVERYTHING! So soon most of us will become poor overnight. Not able to afford the things we take for granted today. We will owe/in debt for over 20 trillion dollars by next Pres. election 2016.

As far as Obama care, it will be another huge govt. bureaucracy paid by the WORKING TAX PAYERS that will support people with families or not, that have NOT worked or paid taxes a single time in their lives. Let's take the guy that spends his days selling drugs in the park. He has all the time in the world & will be able to go to YOUR doctor AHEAD of you. Also the Government TODAY already pays for FREE cab service to people that don't earn/report making a living/paying taxes.

That is why the projected costs especially for the young/younger tax payers is very high, and as you know project costs ALWAYS end up higher.

So my friend above

There's a lot of "Fox and Friends hysteria" in here. We're in a rough spot, but let's not go full Teatard and start telling everyone the sky is falling. You're right on the principle of the debt ceiling, but operationally we need the breathing room. It sucks, but this is what happens when we haven't had a budget for years.

As to the bolded part, who do you think is paying for those people right now when they go to the ER for all their health care needs? The ACA is not a good piece of legislature for many reasons, but it's not like it's adding a cost where there was none before.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

There's a lot of "Fox and Friends hysteria" in here. We're in a rough spot, but let's not go full Teatard and start telling everyone the sky is falling. You're right on the principle of the debt ceiling, but operationally we need the breathing room. It sucks, but this is what happens when we haven't had a budget for years.

As to the bolded part, who do you think is paying for those people right now when they go to the ER for all their health care needs? The ACA is not a good piece of legislature for many reasons, but it's not like it's adding a cost where there was none before.

I wish it were true. Unfortunately ER will never end & just like everything else, cost NEVER goes down

I don't understand why they didn't let med. insurance go like car insurance, ALL companies available in EVERY state. We had some states with only ONE insurance choice. Crazy....

Cmike2780 · 09-30-2013, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by andre12031948

As far as Obama care, it will be another huge govt. bureaucracy paid by the WORKING TAX PAYERS that will support people with families or not, that have NOT worked or paid taxes a single time in their lives. Let's take the guy that spends his days selling drugs in the park. He has all the time in the world & will be able to go to YOUR doctor AHEAD of you. Also the Government TODAY already pays for FREE cab service to people that don't earn/report making a living/paying taxes.

A bit lot of inaccuracies in there. Obamacare is funded by taxes, no one is arguing that. Those that can benefit from the program are working tax payers, it's not a form of welfare that Faux News has made it out to be. This won't effect the guy selling drugs on the street. The act is to provide health insurance to those who work legally, not welfare....that's an entirely separate issue. I don't know where you got your information, but the ER doesn't triage based on insurance. I also don't understand what cab rides have to do with anything, true or not. Furthermore, the budgeted amount that was suppose to fund educating the public on how Obamacare would work was defunded by GOP leaders to undermine the implementation. They want to see it fail before it ever gets off the ground. That's why we're on the verge of a likely government shut down. While some idiot is reading Dr.Seuss in the middle of Congress, government employees that keep this country running are left waiting and wondering if they have work the next few weeks. There needs to be a debate on what can and can't work. What they shouldn't do is use government employees and services hostage because they're not getting what they want. It's the equivalent of some kid threatening to hold their breath if they don't get their way. Obama is basically telling them to go ahead and do it until they turn blue in the face.

I have plenty of gripes with those that manipulate the health care system. I have doctors and nurses in my family that experience it first hand. They stay in hospitals and see it as a hotel. They know that hospital can't discharge them if they're having chest pains for example. My gf is a nurse and every time she comes home, she tells a story of yet another guy who's verbally and sometime physically abusive to the nurses and staff....it's usually the guy/girl without a job or medical insurance...gun shot victims, homeless...etc. They come in to the doctor's office with Medicaid while dressed with expensive clothing, jewelry, smartphones, cars etc...Also, not saying it's a racial issue, but they're often African Americans or Hispanic from low income neighborhoods. I'm not saying they're the norm or the exception...I'm just saying it exist and that's what I've personally observed. The sooner we tackle the problem of insuring all those that work and pay taxes, the sooner we can weed out those that go into the ER, stay in the hospital for weeks and don't pay a dime. They're the reason why premiums are so high and why a 3 day hospital stay can easily be billed at around $18k. I think people need to at least read what Obamacare enacts and decide for themselves instead of listening to what the news pundits are proclaiming.

andre12031948 · 09-30-2013, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

A bit lot of inaccuracies in there. Obamacare is funded by taxes, no one is arguing that. Those that can benefit from the program are working tax payers, it's not a form of welfare that Faux News has made it out to be. This won't effect the guy selling drugs on the street. The act is to provide health insurance to those who work legally, not welfare....that's an entirely separate issue. I don't know where you got your information, but the ER doesn't triage based on insurance. I also don't understand what cab rides have to do with anything, true or not. Furthermore, the budgeted amount that was suppose to fund educating the public on how Obamacare would work was defunded by GOP leaders to undermine the implementation. They want to see it fail before it ever gets off the ground. That's why we're on the verge of a likely government shut down. While some idiot is reading Dr.Seuss in the middle of Congress, government employees that keep this country running are left waiting and wondering if they have work the next few weeks. There needs to be a debate on what can and can't work. What they shouldn't do is use government employees and services hostage because they're not getting what they want. It's the equivalent of some kid threatening to hold their breath if they don't get their way. Obama is basically telling them to go ahead and do it until they turn blue in the face.

I have plenty of gripes with those that manipulate the health care system. I have doctors and nurses in my family that experience it first hand. They stay in hospitals and see it as a hotel. They know that hospital can't discharge them if they're having chest pains for example. My gf is a nurse and every time she comes home, she tells a story of yet another guy who's verbally and sometime physically abusive to the nurses and staff....it's usually the guy/girl without a job or medical insurance...gun shot victims, homeless...etc. They come in to the doctor's office with Medicaid while dressed with expensive clothing, jewelry, smartphones, cars etc...Also, not saying it's a racial issue, but they're often African Americans or Hispanic from low income neighborhoods. I'm not saying they're the norm or the exception...I'm just saying it exist and that's what I've personally observed. The sooner we tackle the problem of insuring all those that work and pay taxes, the sooner we can weed out those that go into the ER, stay in the hospital for weeks and don't pay a dime. They're the reason why premiums are so high and why a 3 day hospital stay can easily be billed at around $18k. I think people need to at least read what Obamacare enacts and decide for themselves instead of listening to what the news pundits are proclaiming.

I'm in the middle of something & only skimmed through your post.

Where does it say the health care is for tax payers? I thought it was for people that don't now have health insurance. Job, paying taxes, or welfare is not part of the plan..... I think??? Anyway will read the rest when I get the chance.

Oh yes, people on welfare do get free car service to go to their medical doctor. Just like a free phone. Well it's not free, we pay for it. It's free for some people. I'll be back if you need details... That's NOT how to build a strong & healthy & fair country!!!

JARblue · 09-30-2013, 09:52 AM

eastwest2300 · 09-30-2013, 09:55 AM

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JARblue · 09-30-2013, 09:56 AM

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I thought it was appropriate

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