Syria: Chemical weapons

6spd · 08-28-2013, 12:16 PM

Ala Osama

Chuck33079 · 08-28-2013, 12:19 PM

I think, at this point, the only way out of that mess is total noninvolvement in any affairs over there. If people want to help out, give money to the Red Cross.

6spd · 08-28-2013, 12:21 PM

Ron Paul came to early.

m4a1mustang · 08-28-2013, 12:37 PM

It's curious that many believe we are actually getting involved to help civilians there. If we were, we'd have intervened a hundred thousand deaths ago. This is typical American involvement in global affairs. We want to shape the region in the way we see best fitting of our interests. Syria is just another piece on the board.

m4a1mustang · 08-28-2013, 12:40 PM

Also, Asma Assad is pretty good-looking.

eastwest2300 · 08-28-2013, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The Saudis always pretend to be our friends, and then **** us in the *** every chance they get.

m4a1mustang · 08-28-2013, 12:43 PM

Also, IBTL. Politics is bad joo joo and a good way to turn friends into enemies, or frenemies, or friends with benefits.

eastwest2300 · 08-28-2013, 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Also, IBTL. Politics is bad joo joo and a good way to turn friends into enemies, or frenemies, or friends with benefits.

Cmike2780 · 08-28-2013, 01:18 PM

I think we can all agree that lives are being lost needlessly. I think we can all agree that war is messy, bloody, barbaric, inhumane and innocent, defenseless lives are often the most in harms way. You can argue that guns have killed more people in history than all weapons of mass destruction combined. Whatever the case, we shouldn't just ignore this. It's not about a "red line" or death tolls. It's about putting all the BS aside and doing something about it. People say Chemical weapons have "only" killed this many vs....whatever. The thing is, where DO you draw the line? It's a slippery slope. Would you be okay if the US dropped a nuke to teach them a lesson? I don't know the answers. ...and to be honest, I barely know the history and facts of the region. All I know is, I see a pile of dead men, women and children. Even if they were all gunned down, there's nothing okay about that. We don't have to be the world police, but we can't just look away. That not right and doesn't solve anything....but then again, neither will firing missiles. This is a tough call with no right answer.

Does the US want to establish some control in the region? Of course it does. It's a volatile region where the consequences of the wrong people in power effects us. It's why Iran is a threat. It's why 9/11 took place. Walking away and making some popcorn while thousands of civilians die? ...that's just f'cked up no matter how you look at it.

Yeah, this thread should be locked.

Chuck33079 · 08-28-2013, 01:22 PM

I don't agree that this should be locked. We're having a calm, civil, rational discussion. I'd be the first to support locking it up if it turns to flaming and butthurt, but we're not there. Yet.

I agree with you on the hard part being where we draw the line. Chemical weapons are usually that line. I'm just as concerned with future unintended consequences, though. So we get Assad out and let the rebels set up shop. Al Qaeda has a horrific track record on human rights. Are we then trading one psycho government for another?

6spd · 08-28-2013, 01:48 PM

No lock yet, it's been a leisurely chat thus far! I'd even say it's far less hostile than most threads I've been in lately. Actually it hasn't been hostile at all, we all seem to view it pretty much the same.

Cmike2780 · 08-28-2013, 01:49 PM

I don't think we should be in the business of removing or replacing ANY foreign, sovereign nation's leadership. We may not like it, but it's not our job and should not be our intent. I guess a more accurate analogy would be more towards this whole US role should be a boxing referee instead of a cop..... with missiles. Let them punch all they want, but hitting someone in the nuts isn't cool.

08-28-2013, 12:16 PM	#46 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	Ala Osama __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

08-28-2013, 12:19 PM	#47 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	I think, at this point, the only way out of that mess is total noninvolvement in any affairs over there. If people want to help out, give money to the Red Cross. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

08-28-2013, 12:21 PM	#48 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	Ron Paul came to early. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

08-28-2013, 12:37 PM	#49 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	It's curious that many believe we are actually getting involved to help civilians there. If we were, we'd have intervened a hundred thousand deaths ago. This is typical American involvement in global affairs. We want to shape the region in the way we see best fitting of our interests. Syria is just another piece on the board. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-28-2013, 12:40 PM	#50 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Also, Asma Assad is pretty good-looking. tibal likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-28-2013, 12:43 PM	#52 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Also, IBTL. Politics is bad joo joo and a good way to turn friends into enemies, or frenemies, or friends with benefits. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-28-2013, 01:18 PM	#54 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I think we can all agree that lives are being lost needlessly. I think we can all agree that war is messy, bloody, barbaric, inhumane and innocent, defenseless lives are often the most in harms way. You can argue that guns have killed more people in history than all weapons of mass destruction combined. Whatever the case, we shouldn't just ignore this. It's not about a "red line" or death tolls. It's about putting all the BS aside and doing something about it. People say Chemical weapons have "only" killed this many vs....whatever. The thing is, where DO you draw the line? It's a slippery slope. Would you be okay if the US dropped a nuke to teach them a lesson? I don't know the answers. ...and to be honest, I barely know the history and facts of the region. All I know is, I see a pile of dead men, women and children. Even if they were all gunned down, there's nothing okay about that. We don't have to be the world police, but we can't just look away. That not right and doesn't solve anything....but then again, neither will firing missiles. This is a tough call with no right answer. Does the US want to establish some control in the region? Of course it does. It's a volatile region where the consequences of the wrong people in power effects us. It's why Iran is a threat. It's why 9/11 took place. Walking away and making some popcorn while thousands of civilians die? ...that's just f'cked up no matter how you look at it. Yeah, this thread should be locked. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

08-28-2013, 01:22 PM	#55 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29538	I don't agree that this should be locked. We're having a calm, civil, rational discussion. I'd be the first to support locking it up if it turns to flaming and butthurt, but we're not there. Yet. I agree with you on the hard part being where we draw the line. Chemical weapons are usually that line. I'm just as concerned with future unintended consequences, though. So we get Assad out and let the rebels set up shop. Al Qaeda has a horrific track record on human rights. Are we then trading one psycho government for another? __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

08-28-2013, 01:48 PM	#56 (permalink)
6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,001 Drives: Q50RS Rep Power: 25	No lock yet, it's been a leisurely chat thus far! I'd even say it's far less hostile than most threads I've been in lately. Actually it hasn't been hostile at all, we all seem to view it pretty much the same. __________________ -Jay- jonathanjamesphotographer.com

08-28-2013, 01:49 PM	#57 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 29	I don't think we should be in the business of removing or replacing ANY foreign, sovereign nation's leadership. We may not like it, but it's not our job and should not be our intent. I guess a more accurate analogy would be more towards this whole US role should be a boxing referee instead of a cop..... with missiles. Let them punch all they want, but hitting someone in the nuts isn't cool. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

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