Obama Sucks

BanningZ · 04-22-2009, 09:40 AM

This isn't a war pissing contest. War sucks. It kills innocent people and good men and women that fight for the very freedoms we appreciate everyday. The comparison was used as an example of an offensive war that they later were able to apologize for. BTW did you see the Godwin's law thing in parenthesis?

Just some FYI: my Grand parents are Jewish survivors that made it through the war and they see what has happened in the last 6 years and they disapprove of our actions. It doesn't mean they are right but they sure are fans of Obama who experienced a lot worse than most of us.

B1nks · 04-22-2009, 10:10 AM

Banningz do you think it was wrong for the U.S. to stop Germany back then ? Ask your grandparents if they wish Germany hadn't been stopped from all that genocide and see what they say. Stopping Genocide is a large reason we are there now..well that and the bomb thing but the bomb thing was rediculous IMO.

Lug · 04-22-2009, 10:26 AM

Damm those conservative/liberals! All they want to do is give handouts to the rich/poor and to screw over the poor/rich guy. Their trickle down/bloated tax economic plans are destroying this country. Any idiot can see that the Republicans/Democrats only care for the rich/poor at the expense of the poor/rich and that they have no hearts/minds. The goal of the Republican/Democratic party is obviously to rape the Constitution which is the greatest document ever written/an out of date piece of paper written by a bunch of old white guys 200 years ago. If you disagree with me, you have obviously lost your heart/mind and have no clue, idiot.

XBadgerX · 04-22-2009, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

Damm those conservative/liberals! All they want to do is give handouts to the rich/poor and to screw over the poor/rich guy. Their trickle down/bloated tax economic plans are destroying this country. Any idiot can see that the Republicans/Democrats only care for the rich/poor at the expense of the poor/rich and that they have no hearts/minds. The goal of the Republican/Democratic party is obviously to rape the Constitution which is the greatest document ever written/an out of date piece of paper written by a bunch of old white guys 200 years ago. If you disagree with me, you have obviously lost your heart/mind and have no clue, idiot.

Yeah.. damn the constitution, basically this country's founding morals.... If you don't like it, then

no one is holding you here aginst your will.

CantZme · 04-22-2009, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by XBadgerX

Yeah.. damn the constitution, basically this country's founding morals.... If you don't like it, then

no one is holding you here aginst your will.

i agree, Our constitution is our back bone without it we would be no where. And to even consider rewriting it would be retarded, why you might ask because it was written during a time when values and beliefs where a huge part of what we are that has been lost in alot of ways another is because it was written during a time when there were alot of struggles and at the begining of a nation opposed to what we are now.

chubbs · 04-22-2009, 10:56 AM

Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England.

For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends.

Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype.

I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance.

I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you.

dad · 04-22-2009, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by chubbs

Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England.

For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends.

Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype.

I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance.

I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you.

Every one seems to forget, or mention, he's part white!

XBadgerX · 04-22-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chubbs

Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England.

For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends.

Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype.

I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance.

I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you.

Forgive my ignorance, but I would like to hear your opinions, an across the water view, as to why Bush is considered an insensitive bully?

chubbs · 04-22-2009, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by XBadgerX

Forgive my ignorance, but I would like to hear your opinions, an across the water view, as to why Bush is considered an insensitive bully?

Edit - I'm not being facetious, Badger - just trying to be funny, I'll give you a sensible answer when I've had time to think about it for a while, if that's ok mate.

BanningZ · 04-22-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by B1nks

Banningz do you think it was wrong for the U.S. to stop Germany back then ? Ask your grandparents if they wish Germany hadn't been stopped from all that genocide and see what they say. Stopping Genocide is a large reason we are there now..well that and the bomb thing but the bomb thing was rediculous IMO.

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group. This was defined in the UN convention of 1948.

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(CPPCG). Article 2, of this convention defines genocide as "any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; [and] forcibly transferring children of the group to another group."

Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?

I regards to genocide and its definition? Bush said that our enemies have no borders, yet we targeted Islamic groups and specific nations. There are extremist groups in every religion, group and city of every planet on earth whether they be two people or 5000. What we could have done was attack the extremist groups in Pakistan and Afghanistan with help from the local governments but instead we left Pakistan alone and sent most of our forces to Iraq. I support our troops and encourage our nation to spread goodwill and security but I think Iraq was a strategic move and we had an opportunity to jump in there after the attacks on our soil again.

CantZme · 04-22-2009, 10:47 AM

"Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?"

Germany didnt attack us on our soil. Japan did, but that was after we were in the fight against germany, and we got in the fight against germany because of the instability they were causing in europe, as far as iraq goes they were an instability in the middle east. And yes this war is about oil, but we dont steal the oil. We are paying out of pocket to rebuild iraq and were paying for the oil. Now you say what are we gaining from this. well were getting the oil thats being refined and running your Z and we free the country from a tyrant. My former hair dresser was from Iraq and his father was killed by saddams people for no reason before he was able to escape to the U.S. Also my former co workers husband works as a translator for the marines in iraq where hes from. He got put before a firing squad and shot 11 times before being left for dead and he survived and is not helping us what in his own word are free his country. So dont get it twisted.

04-22-2009, 09:40 AM	#1 (permalink)
BanningZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: nowhere Posts: 5,478 Drives: 06' Nismo Frontier Rep Power: 29	This isn't a war pissing contest. War sucks. It kills innocent people and good men and women that fight for the very freedoms we appreciate everyday. The comparison was used as an example of an offensive war that they later were able to apologize for. BTW did you see the Godwin's law thing in parenthesis? Just some FYI: my Grand parents are Jewish survivors that made it through the war and they see what has happened in the last 6 years and they disapprove of our actions. It doesn't mean they are right but they sure are fans of Obama who experienced a lot worse than most of us. __________________ Become a Premium Member: Click HERE MB 06' Nismo VQ40DE

04-22-2009, 10:26 AM	#3 (permalink)
Lug A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Texas Posts: 1,926 Drives: 2006 350Z Rep Power: 20	Damm those conservative/liberals! All they want to do is give handouts to the rich/poor and to screw over the poor/rich guy. Their trickle down/bloated tax economic plans are destroying this country. Any idiot can see that the Republicans/Democrats only care for the rich/poor at the expense of the poor/rich and that they have no hearts/minds. The goal of the Republican/Democratic party is obviously to rape the Constitution which is the greatest document ever written/an out of date piece of paper written by a bunch of old white guys 200 years ago. If you disagree with me, you have obviously lost your heart/mind and have no clue, idiot. __________________ keep Chubbs in your pocket - Chubbs

04-22-2009, 10:56 AM	#6 (permalink)
chubbs A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Zeeland Posts: 1,046 Drives: 2016 370z Auto-Grey Rep Power: 7587	Here's my long-distance view on the subject, from across the ocean in England. For eight years George W Bush came across as a stupid, swaggering, insensitive bully. He made many serious enemies across the entire planet and not many friends. Barack Obama is making a big effort to change that perception - and in my opinion he's doing a really good job so far. He was clearly the only choice. He comes across as all the things that George W was not (and could never be) - intelligent, perceptive, aware and willing to listen. As President it must be hard to implement radical new ideas when the establishment is so entrenched, but I think Obama can do it if anyone can. I'd say he's definitely not all hype. I wonder what some of you would be saying if Hillary Clinton was your President now (or John McCain, for that matter). Give the guy a chance. I think you Americans should thank your Gods that you have someone of his calibre in the Whitehouse. Appreciate him - he's good for you. __________________ . '03 Grey >>> '06 Black >>>'10 Silver >>> '16 Grey ^

04-22-2009, 10:47 AM	#11 (permalink)
CantZme Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 82 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 17	"Fighting against, Germany, Italy and Japan was an instant result of an attack on our own soil. We only decided to go in once we were hit. We refused to join the war before that point. When did Iraq attack us?" Germany didnt attack us on our soil. Japan did, but that was after we were in the fight against germany, and we got in the fight against germany because of the instability they were causing in europe, as far as iraq goes they were an instability in the middle east. And yes this war is about oil, but we dont steal the oil. We are paying out of pocket to rebuild iraq and were paying for the oil. Now you say what are we gaining from this. well were getting the oil thats being refined and running your Z and we free the country from a tyrant. My former hair dresser was from Iraq and his father was killed by saddams people for no reason before he was able to escape to the U.S. Also my former co workers husband works as a translator for the marines in iraq where hes from. He got put before a firing squad and shot 11 times before being left for dead and he survived and is not helping us what in his own word are free his country. So dont get it twisted. __________________ A man who needs nothing is INVINCIBLE Last edited by CantZme; 04-22-2009 at 10:55 AM. Reason: quoting

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B1nks Track Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston,Tx Posts: 721 Drives: 2009 370Z Base 6MT Rep Power: 508	Banningz do you think it was wrong for the U.S. to stop Germany back then ? Ask your grandparents if they wish Germany hadn't been stopped from all that genocide and see what they say. Stopping Genocide is a large reason we are there now..well that and the bomb thing but the bomb thing was rediculous IMO.