This is really getting out of hand......
 

My brother showed me this last night and it PISSED me off. Does anybody else other than me find this offensive? People like these guys need to be shot. ESPECIALLY Jeezy. And Im ashamed to say I was a big fan of both of them. :shakes head: I mean who does Jay-Z think he is to say "white lies" on top of the stupid **** Jeezy said? If a white person said "no more black lies my president is white" people would be out for their heads. Cant believe our world is coming to this crap. Not saying things in a racial way because its riduculous that after all these years people still base judgements on something like that. /rant

All I see is a big white square!

made it a url for you

Nah. Not bothered by it at all. I understand what he said. The way he rapped it, it sounded a little racist, but I don't think that it was meant to sound that way. The way it came out, he was just saying that the president won't lie because he's black, but I think he was saying that now that Bush is gone, there wont be any lies, AND "Yay! our president is black."

Most people over-analyze things like this. Take a step back from your anger and just think about it for a minute.

They can say that, but we can't! Oh, and President Barack Obama, a lot of people have forgotten, or over look, he's part "white"!

Give me a break!

Seriously... I watched that video and it didn't bother me at all.

What anger? You obviously are VERY misinformed about this type of stuff.
Exactly.

That anger.

I think it was more of a show of frustration towards the exiting Bush administration. It DEFINITELY could have been taken as a racist comment, but I have never known Jay-Z to be a racist. Young Jeezy on the other hand, has been quoted in public making racist comments towards white people... well maybe not directly at white people, but he definitely pulled the race card.

As The Game said "F*ck Jessie Jackson, cause it ain't about race now..."

Word to The Game.....Jay-Z shocked me big time not Jeezy.

Your frustration about Bush comment reminded me of somethin funny. My uncle was at my house and I was sittin there with my mom, sister, uncle and brother in law talkin bout politics (uncle is the only democrat go figure :rolleyes: ). I made a comment about Obama and he FLIPPED out tryin to get loud with me telling me to show respect bla bla bla. I replied, "show respect? Ill show him respect to the same amount you showed Bush respect! None! So dont cry about me hating on someone you support when you did the same to me". Discussion ended there. :icon17:

Opinions on the closing of Gitmo?

I'm still trying to figure out where they are going to send all the inmates. Sure is a bold move just a few days into office!!

<-- Voted for Obama

Just FYI Bush did keep us safe for 7yrs after the attack. Closing this down may be a big problem...Lets hope he made the right choice. I for one do not want those prisoners coming onto our home soil. First off we dont have much room and may have to PAY to build more prisons. On top of that they are pushing trials back even more. For all we know those pos people could be set free.

I thought those were classless words (especially from JayZ) but when it comes down to it, I don't take rappers seriously anyway so it didn't quite bother me.

The concept of gitmo is atrocious and I applaud Obama for putting an end to it, however, I do recognize the problems that arise as a result of trying to close it. Mainly, what to do with all the prisoners.

Yeah I understand what you mean. I know alot of people dont support the "torture" they speak of. But call me crazy, I believe that ANYBODY who chooses to harm someone should be punished in the same way if not worse than they way they harmed another. An eye for an eye. You dont see them showing any shame when they commmit a crime. You dont see those terrorists show one blink of emotions when they harm innocent people. So they dont deserve ANY rights.

You think about this though. If they come into our prisons on US soil.....do you really expect them to make it? One of these prisoners here will kill them without hesitation.

I disagree with what you, two major points.
1) What makes us better than terrorists if we choose to ignore laws and ethical behavior to exact our revenge? Yes they are wrong... but why do we have to wrong them back. "An eye for an eye will leave the world blind."

2) You assume all of them are "terrorists" or have harmed people. In fact, of the approximately 760 detainees held in gitmo since 2002, only 10 had charges filed against them. Most were completely innocent and denied due process of law or minimum ethical treatment for prisoners.

Fox News is discussing this now. You should tune in its interesting.

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From who? Ourselves?! We were safe BEFORE the attacks. We would've been even MORE safe if Gore was elected. The attacks would have been prevented if Bush didn't want them to happen. Please... I bet more than half the people in Gitmo were innocent. The patriot act was to enable the Bush administration to have absolute power and dictatorship! "We don't like you! So, skip the trial, straight to jail with you!"

Sorry but NOTHING good came from the last 8 years except that I got to bang a LOT of hot chicks I wanted to bang for a long time. That's it.

Having just watched the video, I must say that it's unpleasant, bigheaded, opinionated, self-satisfied jerks like those two guys that get Americans a really bad name. (I'm not talking about the rappers).


I also thought that Jeezy and JayZ were quite wrong to say what they said, in the way they said it - neither of them deserves to have a Z in their name. Although I can understand their joy, racism never helped anyone... but thank God Bush has gone. Barack Obama seems to be an excellent man - especially as I hear that he's part Irish (on his mother's side) just like me!!! I just wonder when he'll make the 'trace my roots' trip that all american presidents seem to make, back to good ol' Ireland.


Best wishes, from England xxx

I highly doubt if it was Bush, who created all of that. He's not that smart, in fact I think he is a f***king idiot! V.P. Joe Biden has called **** Cheney, "a dangerous man"! Cheney is smart, shred, crafty, and evil! He's been in (was)Washington for over 30 years. He was Secretary of Defense during the first Gulf War. I'll cut to the chase! Chaney is probably the man responsible for this "Patriot Act" and Gitmo. If you can't tell, I think the whole thing is a crock of s**t!

Believe me, I don't think Bush DID it, but I do believe he KNEW about it long before it was going to happen.

And yes, the I believe the whole thing was a crock of s**t too! That's why I believe Jay-Z was talking about bush's lies, not that we're not going to get lied to because we have a black president. I think both those sentences were completely different thoughts.

I think I've seen that. When I have some time, I'll watch to make sure. :)

I wont watch that....I know that title name ol

*sigh*

World Trade Center 1993.

And by the way, those statements WERE RACIST. You can try to justify it any way you want, being one color or another doesn't make it less offensive. Words like that just show ignorance.

I'm not justifying anything. I listen to rap, hip-hop, country, techno, rock, alternative, and everything else on a VERY regular basis. I listen to the words in every song. If you're an avid hip-hop listener, you'll likely realize that the words came out wrong, but had a different meaning.

And the bombing in 1993 also happened on a Bush's watch!

I'm on your side Crash, but it can't forgiven as a 'mistake'. Everyone knows that where race is concerned you have to be ultra careful choosing your words so that they can't be misunderstood and used by people like those two 'white' TV presenters. What concerns me more is the latent/hidden/systemic racism I sensed when the two white guys were talking. They tried to cover it by being generally unpleasant about everything, but it was sitting there and rose to the surface every now and then. Why does America tolerate this?

Agreed
 

I AGREE, I AGREE, I AGREE!!!!!!!!!!

I dont' know how many of you guys are military memebers. But i am so i have to pick my words very carefully. But i will say this the only 10 charged is incorrect there was 13!!!LOL and that is the point it's bad enough that we have people sitting away in our own prisons on our own soil but now we take our military memebers to watch "may or may not be" terrorist elsewhere when there are much more important project that we need to deal with as a country. Not only that but guess who's funding all of this (check out your pay stub, and i bet you can answer it yourself). So good on him for shutting that bad boy down. And what a lot of people don't know, those prisoners are afraid to go home. They were captured and survived this long so "they most have talked". If they were to return to their families which most of them have been killed by their own neighbors, they wouldn't last very long. Granted i speak only of the extremist, just like in other religions.

Now, on a different note, i don't know how many of the members of this forum are of any color but, I AM. Racism, should not be tolerated in any form of the matter be it Jay-z britney spears or me. I don't think the song lyric was made as a racist comment by Jay-Z.

Young Jeezy, like O'Reily said was absolutely a disgrace. And the president should be outraged and I am sure there is a much larger number of memebrs in the black community that are PISSED THE EFF OFF BY THIS COMMENT. Things like that, like i said earlier should not be tolerated, I wish it didn't come to this. Why can't we just celebrate a change and leave it at that. I personally am disgusted by the comment and ashamed. What we all have to remember is every village has an idiot or two and Jeezy has just let us all know who it is. Mostly I'm embarrassed about all of this and I know a lot of people that will be as well.

Being of mixed races and in the military where you are forced to live and deal with people (from your own country but you'd sware they were from another planet), you learn what to say, do and listen to around others as to not "perpetuate the stereotype" as I like to say. But, Jay-Z has always been a rapper that i feel like everyone can have fun listening to, like Missy Elliot or Timbaland. I think in the PC world we live in everyone wants to catch everyone else for saying something, just so you can go on t.v. and pretend to be upset. I have learned a lot of new phrases and words that i didn't even know existed that have just rolled off of someone's tongue without even thinking of who's in the room, so i know racist when i hear racist and i am going to have to say that i don't think it was meant to be that serious. I never hear anyone complain about Dave Chappelle, know that loser should be removed from the planet, he can take young jeezy with him so if you laugh at that a**hole, you are just as guilty as what you think Jay-Z "may or may not be"!!!!!!!!!!!!

I'm getting off my soap-box and going to look and some VOLKS you guys rock!!!

Aside from the fact that America is STILL a very racist country? I mean really, there's still segregation, and as long as people still talk about the "race card" and talk about race as if it's still an issue, it will ALWAYS be an issue.

The only way to get around racism is for our generation to pretend that there is NO racism, for us to pretend that there is no visible difference, and to teach our children exactly that because then they will grow up REALLY believing it instead of tip-toing around the taboo of racism.

Unfortunately, that won't happen because there are still parents out there teaching their children that other races are bad and that will indoctrinate them, and then they'll teach it to their children and the cycle won't be broken.

Sad but true mate.