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Old 05-03-2012, 09:04 PM   #751 (permalink)
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I was messing around with a new softbox, so Mrs. LunaZ humoured me by sitting on the stairs with her dinner.
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The only thing that's going to completely freeze it would be roughly a 250th or faster, which obviously can't be used, but I think it is the flashes that are hindering this shoot. Most strobes when set at minimum output have a flash sync speed of a 250th a second I believe but maybe I'm just thinking pop up flash.
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I wasn't going to say it, but since Dallaz mentioned something, I can do 1/250 on my setup without seeing the shutter curtain.
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Yes further testing is neccessary.

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Yes further testing is neccessary.

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I don't know if you've tried this approach, but the method for capturing high speed photos I read a while involved a completely dark room & setting your shutter speed to 'bulb'. This lets you open the shutter without actually getting an exposure. The sensor will get an exposure when the flash is fired. Once the exposure is taken cared of, you just need to sync the flash to the action with some kind of trigger.
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Alright so I switched it up completely and am shooting without strobes. I'm using a LOT of incandecent light. See pic below (lights off in pic)...




Here's a shot at 1/4000 sec @ f/2.8
I think the cartridge is still a bit out of focus but that could be due to the low f stop and me dropping it either a hair too close or too far from the focal point. (or the damn thing is being dropped in the right spot but once it hits the water, it moves on it's own out of the focal point). Either way, the shot was pretty dark @ f/2.8 but if I move either the f stop up or increase the shutter speed, it really goes into dark/black territory.



Starting to get better. Much better than the strobes anyway. I will continue to work on it until I have it perfected.
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Alright so I switched it up completely and am shooting without strobes. I'm using a LOT of incandecent light. See pic below (lights off in pic)...




Here's a shot at 1/4000 sec @ f/2.8
I think the cartridge is still a bit out of focus but that could be due to the low f stop and me dropping it either a hair too close or too far from the focal point. (or the damn thing is being dropped in the right spot but once it hits the water, it moves on it's own out of the focal point). Either way, the shot was pretty dark @ f/2.8 but if I move either the f stop up or increase the shutter speed, it really goes into dark/black territory.



Starting to get better. Much better than the strobes anyway. I will continue to work on it until I have it perfected.
In order to get the perfect stop you need super quick strobes...... which are pricey
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I have some pretty pricey strobes. It has been brought to my attention that I didn't have camera set to rear shutter sync.
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Here is one my son Colin shot:

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Alright so I switched it up completely and am shooting without strobes. I'm using a LOT of incandecent light. See pic below (lights off in pic)...




Here's a shot at 1/4000 sec @ f/2.8
I think the cartridge is still a bit out of focus but that could be due to the low f stop and me dropping it either a hair too close or too far from the focal point. (or the damn thing is being dropped in the right spot but once it hits the water, it moves on it's own out of the focal point). Either way, the shot was pretty dark @ f/2.8 but if I move either the f stop up or increase the shutter speed, it really goes into dark/black territory.



Starting to get better. Much better than the strobes anyway. I will continue to work on it until I have it perfected.
This post is a few days old now but in case your still working on these shots or others like it, you definitely won't need more than a 1000th of a second shutter speed to freeze that bullet, so basically if it's still blurry/out of focus it's just the aperture and focus that now needs to be settled. For the focus just hold something in the water right where you are dropping the item whatever it may be and get a good focus, then just slap the dial over to manual focus so you don't have to mess with it again. also I have to assume your shooting in manual mode and any form of auto ISO is turned off, if not, do both of those.

With your ISO constant at whatever setting you had it, turn your shutter speed down from 1/4000th to 1/1000th saving you 2 stops of exposure to stop down your aperture from f2.8 to f5.6. Your exposure will be exactly the same as it was at 1/4000th but with gained depth of field using the smaller aperture so once the bullet hits the water and possibly shifts to the front or back a little bit from the point of focus you should still be fine. Lenses generally are their sharpest "technically" when stopped down roughly 2-3 stops from wide open so if your shooting with a f2.8 lens instead of stopping down an f.2 or f1.4 lens you will compromising a little sharpness just from shooting wide open, perfect focus or not, just a fact.

With the set up you have and the shots I've seen from you I'm sure you already know most if not all of this but I'm just trying to be helpful, so if you only take away one thing from this, I'm happy


On a side note, I may go as far as 1/750th of a second and f.6...... And seeing if the bullet is still "frozen" at that speed, shooting with the ISO no higher than 800 for something like this where your supposed to be getting exacting detail, you shouldn't have to anyways using those lights
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This post is a few days old now but in case your still working on these shots or others like it, you definitely won't need more than a 1000th of a second shutter speed to freeze that bullet, so basically if it's still blurry/out of focus it's just the aperture and focus that now needs to be settled. For the focus just hold something in the water right where you are dropping the item whatever it may be and get a good focus, then just slap the dial over to manual focus so you don't have to mess with it again. also I have to assume your shooting in manual mode and any form of auto ISO is turned off, if not, do both of those.

With your ISO constant at whatever setting you had it, turn your shutter speed down from 1/4000th to 1/1000th saving you 2 stops of exposure to stop down your aperture from f2.8 to f5.6. Your exposure will be exactly the same as it was at 1/4000th but with gained depth of field using the smaller aperture so once the bullet hits the water and possibly shifts to the front or back a little bit from the point of focus you should still be fine. Lenses generally are their sharpest "technically" when stopped down roughly 2-3 stops from wide open so if your shooting with a f2.8 lens instead of stopping down an f.2 or f1.4 lens you will compromising a little sharpness just from shooting wide open, perfect focus or not, just a fact.

With the set up you have and the shots I've seen from you I'm sure you already know most if not all of this but I'm just trying to be helpful, so if you only take away one thing from this, I'm happy


On a side note, I may go as far as 1/750th of a second and f.6...... And seeing if the bullet is still "frozen" at that speed, shooting with the ISO no higher than 800 for something like this where your supposed to be getting exacting detail, you shouldn't have to anyways using those lights
Repped! Great info.
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