Here are some of the stats that I would look at to help you decide, since your first starting out.

Canon 60D
- $1,200 with lens kit
- 18 MP
- 5.3 fps shooting
- 1080 HD video
- * 3" movable LCD NON-touchscreen
- 9 autofocus points
- full frame ... Easiest way to describe this is... if you use a 100mm lens on this camera, you will be able to see more of an area then you would if you used a 100mm lens on a NON full frame camera. If this camera and a NON full frame took the same pic with the same lens, the NON full frame pic would look cropped in comparison to this full frame.


Canon Rebel T5i
- $850 with lens kit
- 18 MP
- 5.0 fps shooting
- 1080 HD video
- * 3" movable LCD TOUCHSCREEN
- 9 autofocus points


Nikon D5300
- $895 with lens kit
- 24.2 MP
- 5.0 fps shooting
- 1080 HD video
- * 3.2" movable LCD NON-touchscreen
- *wifi capability
- switch between 9 / 21/ 39 autofocus points

Full-frame also, to me, is less noisy than a crop sensor. But who am I to say? I have the D7000 and I adore it. I'm a Nikon user and I usually tell beginners that the D5X00 is a great place to start, with plenty of good glass to support. You can definitely grow and kick on from it, or if you're just dabbling it's a good day-to-day camera that won't be overly cumbersome or difficult to get to settings you need.

i went back and underlined the main features of each that stand out against the rest.

the full frame is def. desired by some people
the touchscreen is pretty sweet, and a good price for that camera
the 24.2 MP is awesome, and wifi is just very convenient.

My thoughts. Canon Rebel T5i. Rebels always get awesome reviews for beginners. The difference in price from it and the Canon 60D is +/- $300. Take that money and go buy another lens for it. For example this lens. The canon 40mm f2.8. While it does NOT zoom, its going to be very sharp and five you a very nice blurry background!

Doing that ^ gives you the Rebel T5i, 2 lens ( 1 zoom lens and one really sharp lens ) at the same price of the canon 60D with just one standard zoom lens.

Canon EF 40mm f/2.8 STM | Canon Online Store

heres a sample photo taken with the 40mm f2.8 - not my photo, taken on a rebel t4i

http://www.flickr.com/photos/amitmalik21/9942482813/

I'm sure you're listing retail there for an apples to apples comparison, but FYI I got my T5i for $450 on cyber monday!:happydance:

If you have the cash and willing to spend, go full-frame...but not necessarily because of your reasoning. You could spend tens of thousands on a medium format and still have a shot that's no better than an iPhone pic. The advantage of full frame isn't really much of an advantage to someone new to photography. There is absolutely nothing wrong with sticking to a crop sensor. The field of view is less on a crop sensor, but you can compensate with an equivalent focal length lens. A 35mm on a DX is about the same as a 50mm on an FX for example. You can also do something as simple as taking a few steps back, lol.

It doesn't make a difference at this point which one you go with. Your pic's will be mediocre or crap until you know what you're doing, so it really doesn't matter. Everyone starts that way. I tell everyone just starting out to go with an entry level gear because it's a bit less overwhelming and less of an investment if they're not really into it. You can take great shots with the most basic of DSLR, the pricier gear only gets the shot easier. The caveat being knowing how everything works. Today's DSLR's can all take great shots and you'll likely require investing in better lenses and lighting to see huge "improvements."

So I guess my point it, go down to a camera shop and pick out the one that feels comfortable in your hands. Nikon, Canon, Sony, Leica, Hasselblad....whatever, they're all the same, just buy one and start shooting. Watch video, take a class and practice. You'll figure out on your own what works for you for the type of shots you take.

Personally, I prefer Nikon, so I'd go with the D610 if you want to FF or D7100 (or older model) if you want to spend a bit less. B&H, Adorama or Cameta Camera are sites I get my gear from. Don't dismiss refurbished or used gear either. Some sites offer them with the same if not longer warranty and you save a ton.

Are you sure about that?
A sensor labelled APS-C on a Canon typically means a 1.6 crop.

Yup you're right. I though it said 6D at first

That 6D has some cool features for someone looking to get into an entry level full frame body :tup:

60D = crop body, 6D = full frame.

Agree with the noise on full fame vs crop as well.

Oops. Thanks for clarifying. I was thinking of the 6D instead of the 60D

I was simply going off what someone else said as far as putting it down as a full frame.


I wasnt trying to give a "reasoning" as to why to go full frame... I was just trying to explain to him what it was.

I personally use a 7D, I love the crop censors.

My 7D had a few features that I miss since switching to a 5D MkII, but the benefits of the larger sensor and full frame work better for the kind of pictures I've been taking. :tup:

Heres a few I took of my BBS hex caps and spiked hardware that are on the Eclipse. 24k gold plated, done by Spin Fab.


http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3805/1...774f17ec_b.jpg
IMG_8673 by Scrape Artist, on Flickr


http://farm3.staticflickr.com/2852/1...6e7df86b_b.jpg
IMG_8684 combined by Scrape Artist, on Flickr


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7439/1...013cbaf3_b.jpg
IMG_9501 by Scrape Artist, on Flickr

Thanks for the info guys.

I'm just getting one to play around with. I've decided on the T5i since, like mentioned, Rebel series are good for beginners and I can always just upgrade the lens in the future if needed.

:tiphat:

:tup:

I have been happy with my t3i. They are good cameras to learn on and practice your skills. I recommend the 50mm 1.8 lens. for $100 it's amazing.