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shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I think part of the reason people are saying they are overpriced is because of the dealer mark-up on these cars. They are being produced in limited numbers and are going to go for a bit more at first.

They do this with every new performance car. The Boss Mustangs were 60k when they hit lots. The E92 M3 was 90k when it first showed up. Happens with every car.

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Originally Posted by blades

I think the car would be pretty awesome to buy used in a few years for a couple thousand cheaper. At the price it's at now, it's in the range of cars that I would say are a step up from it performance wise (Z, 5.0, etc.). If you look in the used market, you can get much better performing "driver's cars" for a little bit more than the BRZ. You can get a Lotus Elise or Porsche Cayman for that much. Yeah I know they have higher maintenance costs and stuff, but I'm strictly looking at the cost of the car.

Performance step-up is not the most important feature of a sports car. If it was, we'd all own faster cars for the money than a 370z.

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Originally Posted by blades

The true value of a car to any person is really subjective. Some people just care about the driving experience and would be willing to pay extra for it even if the car's numbers don't hold up to other similar cars. I personally think you should look at everything together and evaluate the car overall after driving it. Sure the FRS/BRZ may give a great driving experience for some, but for others it might feel underpowered which might ruin the experience for them.

Agree that people have opinions and that value is subjective. But both sides of this argument should test drive the car before praising or damning it. People speculating that it's underpowered haven't driven it, either.

Spikuh · 05-31-2012, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Agree that people have opinions and that value is subjective. But both sides of this argument should test drive the car before praising or damning it. People speculating that it's underpowered haven't driven it, either.

I agree 100%. However, bludgeoning people over the head with your opinion and deriding them for having their own opinion (especially when both sides are on equal footing - i.e. never driven said car) is a piss poor way of trying to convince others to see it your way.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

They do this with every new performance car. The Boss Mustangs were 60k when they hit lots. The E92 M3 was 90k when it first showed up. Happens with every car.

That's true. I guess we just have to get past that period for the car to reach its true price point.

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Performance step-up is not the most important feature of a sports car. If it was, we'd all own faster cars for the money than a 370z.

Maybe not to you, but that's why I said value is a subjective thing. Performance step up is one of the most important things for me for my next car, but it's not the only thing. Also have to look at cost, looks, interior, etc. My next car after my Z will most definitely not be one that is a step down in performance. At the minimum it should have the potential to be a step up after some mods.

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Agree that people have opinions and that value is subjective. But both sides of this argument should test drive the car before praising or damning it. People speculating that it's underpowered haven't driven it, either.

Exactly, but of course this is the internetz and we will forever argue and bench race without ever even sitting in the car.

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

That's true. I guess we just have to get past that period for the car to reach its true price point.

sure, if you want your BRZ when erryone else has 'em.

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Maybe not to you, but that's why I said value is a subjective thing. Performance step up is one of the most important things for me for my next car, but it's not the only thing. Also have to look at cost, looks, interior, etc. My next car after my Z will most definitely not be one that is a step down in performance. At the minimum it should have the potential to be a step up after some mods.

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

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Exactly, but of course this is the internetz and we will forever argue and bench race without ever even sitting in the car.

I argue with this statement, and these undocumented statistics support my assertion: 3.2, 141, the battle of Gettysburg, penguin

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

sure, if you want your BRZ when erryone else has 'em.

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

I argue with this statement, and these undocumented statistics support my assertion: 3.2, 141, the battle of Gettysburg, penguin

Psh I would be happier staring at an Aventador in my garage all day than driving a Miata. I'd have to track it to get anywhere even close to its limits, but I'd be willing to do that.

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Psh I would be happier staring at an Aventador in my garage all day than driving a Miata. I'd have to track it to get anywhere even close to its limits, but I'd be willing to do that.

Yeah, but you could actually drive the Miata places on a daily basis with no worries, and you would probably have more fun getting from A to B legally on everyday roads.

Tracking a car is quite expensive. But you could do that and have fun in the Miata as well.

But back on topic, buy a BRZ meow!

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Yeah, but you could actually drive the Miata places on a daily basis with no worries, and you would probably have more fun getting from A to B legally on everyday roads.

Tracking a car is quite expensive. But you could do that and have fun in the Miata as well.

But back on topic, buy a BRZ meow!

If I can buy an Aventador, I can probably afford to track an Aventador. Legally I may be able to have more fun on everyday roads, but who drives like that all the time?

I could always have something like a BRZ as a DD and Aventador as the weekend car. Best of both worlds. I would DD an Aventador if I had to, but that's just me

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Legally I may be able to have more fun on everyday roads, but who drives like that all the time?

lol it doesn't mean you have to go balls out all the time, it means you always have the option in a Miata to legally go play.

But again, we're derailing.

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 04:13 PM

So you would really rather drive a Miata from point A to point B rather than Aventador? I don't see how that's possible, but I guess this just proves that people are different and have contrasting opinions.
With that said, I can see how driving Aventador in NYC would be frustrating, but I'd rather deal with that frustration than drive Miata

speedfreek · 05-31-2012, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I would DD an Aventador if I had to, but that's just me

That's cuz you are Batman.

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

So you would really rather drive a Miata from point A to point B rather than Aventador? I don't see how that's possible, but I guess this just proves that people are different and have contrasting opinions.
With that said, I can see how driving Aventador in NYC would be frustrating, but I'd rather deal with that frustration than drive Miata

You're all pretty much missing the point.

I would rather own the lambo for obvious reasons. It would be more fun on rare occasions when you can get it out.

But on a daily basis, I would have more fun with the Miata. You could drive it any time, be less nervous about damaging it, and could actually play with it closer to its limits without being a danger to other motorists.

And way too many people hate on that little car. They are amazing to drive. Haters gonna hate. More Miatas race on actual race tracks than any other sports car.

Spikuh · 05-31-2012, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

You're all pretty much missing the point.

I would rather own the lambo for obvious reasons. It would be more fun on rare occasions when you can get it out.

But on a daily basis, I would have more fun with the Miata. You could drive it any time, be less nervous about damaging it, and could actually play with it closer to its limits without being a danger to other motorists.

And way too many people hate on that little car. They are amazing to drive. Haters gonna hate. More Miatas race on actual race tracks than any other sports car.

Ever since NFS:Underground, I have always kept a special place in my heart for the Miata. I know someone with one, but sadly have never gotten to drive it.

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 04:26 PM

shadoquad, well, I was making a silly joke with Miata being gay.

But as far as missing the point, I disagree. I think its just that we all like to do different things on the road. Yes, you can get closer to pushing Miatas, Dodge Neons, Chevy Cavaliers, and other weak cars when pushing them to their limits in a 30mph zone. Been there, done that. Yes, its a different kind of fun, but its not for me. I for example like to accelerate fast and occasionally sin on the roads. I am addicted to that, I guess... and Miata just wouldn't cut it for me at all. I also don't feel comfortable in small cars. So definitely no Miata for me.
Aventador... I would be having fun in that car on the first red light... even if its getting to 60 in less than 3 seconds... the way I would get pushed into the seat...

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

shadoquad, well, I was making a silly joke with Miata being gay.

But as far as missing the point, I disagree. I think its just that we all like to do different things on the road. Yes, you can get closer to pushing Miatas, Dodge Neons, Chevy Cavaliers, and other weak cars when pushing them to their limits in a 30mph zone. Been there, done that. Yes, its a different kind of fun, but its not for me. I for example like to accelerate fast and occasionally sin on the roads. I am addicted to that, I guess... and Miata just wouldn't cut it for me at all. I also don't feel comfortable in small cars. So definitely no Miata for me.
Aventador... I would be having fun in that car on the first red light... even if its getting to 60 in less than 3 seconds... the way I would get pushed into the seat...

Neons and Cavaliers are not in the same class. Pretty bad comparison. The Miata is the best selling sports car over the past twenty years, although it faces declining numbers right now. It is a proper rear wheel drive car, has a nearly perfect front-back weight ratio. It is not some fwd slug. Take it to a curvy road, and it will reward you.

If gunning it at a red light is your pleasure, then good for you. Buy a drag car. The BRZ is not going to be a straight line car. I am much more of a cornering and back roads enthusiast. A Miata or BRZ suits me down to the ground. I drive my Z on the twisties. I didn't buy it to be a drag car.

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 04:43 PM

Yeah, I like drag the most, but the reason I didn't buy a mustang is because I still like to be able to take a turn at a high speed. Honestly, I doubt Miata can be driven on a regular mountain road as fast as 370z. I feel like the Z allowes you to experience the best of the two worlds (mustang world and miata world).

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05-31-2012, 04:13 PM	#1089 (permalink)
NeoSHNIK Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 237 Drives: 370z 40th 6MT Rep Power: 14	So you would really rather drive a Miata from point A to point B rather than Aventador? I don't see how that's possible, but I guess this just proves that people are different and have contrasting opinions. With that said, I can see how driving Aventador in NYC would be frustrating, but I'd rather deal with that frustration than drive Miata

05-31-2012, 04:26 PM	#1093 (permalink)
NeoSHNIK Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 237 Drives: 370z 40th 6MT Rep Power: 14	shadoquad, well, I was making a silly joke with Miata being gay. But as far as missing the point, I disagree. I think its just that we all like to do different things on the road. Yes, you can get closer to pushing Miatas, Dodge Neons, Chevy Cavaliers, and other weak cars when pushing them to their limits in a 30mph zone. Been there, done that. Yes, its a different kind of fun, but its not for me. I for example like to accelerate fast and occasionally sin on the roads. I am addicted to that, I guess... and Miata just wouldn't cut it for me at all. I also don't feel comfortable in small cars. So definitely no Miata for me. Aventador... I would be having fun in that car on the first red light... even if its getting to 60 in less than 3 seconds... the way I would get pushed into the seat...

05-31-2012, 04:43 PM	#1095 (permalink)
NeoSHNIK Base Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 237 Drives: 370z 40th 6MT Rep Power: 14	Yeah, I like drag the most, but the reason I didn't buy a mustang is because I still like to be able to take a turn at a high speed. Honestly, I doubt Miata can be driven on a regular mountain road as fast as 370z. I feel like the Z allowes you to experience the best of the two worlds (mustang world and miata world).