Subaru powered Toyota FT-86 Concept

azn370z · 11-01-2011, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, actually 200hp and lighter weight is a great combo for me. it reminds me of an old prelude i had (Gen5 98).

and it eating regular unleaded is a plus.

I had a 2001 prelude but for me, going from 332 to 200 is not something I want to experience again. The 370z is a nice dd. I think by the time a turbo comes out the z, cayman, vette, tt will be out or coming out, not that these cars are competitors.

m4a1mustang · 11-01-2011, 01:12 PM

I would be all over a turbo Subaru version.

kenchan · 11-01-2011, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

at 25k with how much potential these are going to have.. this is going to be the new boy racer car, but it will make a killer DD

yah, i dont need it to go super fast. but it needs to be fun to drive and look good.

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Originally Posted by azn370z

I had a 2001 prelude but for me, going from 332 to 200 is not something I want to experience again. The 370z is a nice dd. I think by the time a turbo comes out the z, cayman, vette, tt will be out or coming out, not that these cars are competitors.

hahaha.

yah i know exactly wat you mean. but, im not selling my 370Z so it's not an issue for me. i just want something cheap, pretty quick, and good looking when im done with my G. i need 4 seats (got 2 kids) but dont want 4 doors unless it's a boxy hatch. if i dont get this i will look probably at the 135i's.

Isamu · 11-01-2011, 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

yah, i dont need it to go super fast. but it needs to be fun to drive and look good..

I didn't say anything about going fast in that post, i meant potential like cheap to mode and have supurb handling, and the ability to get up an move.

Rui Z · 11-01-2011, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kenchan

hummm... the max i would pay for the FRS would be $22K for the base, maybe $25K if they offer a sport model.

200hp would actually be plenty for me as a dd especially if it runs on regular.

On the link Isamu provided, they have a comparison chart attachment that indicates the FRS will be running on premium fuel. It will get 12.8 kilometers/liter. If you compare that to the 370Z combined fuel economy of 10.5 K/L, then the FR-S should get about 26 MPG on premium fuel.

I'm really liking the specs. 2700 lbs, RWD, good mpg, and one of the lowest center of gravity cars. Pretty much all it comes down to for me to buy it is how much it will cost and magazine/forum reviews. That and if my Z will ever sell.

kenchan · 11-01-2011, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

I didn't say anything about going fast in that post, i meant potential like cheap to mode and have supurb handling, and the ability to get up an move.

"boyracer" always refers to kinda fast... so

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Originally Posted by Rui Z

On the link Isamu provided, they have a comparison chart attachment that indicates the FRS will be running on premium fuel. It will get 12.8 kilometers/liter. If you compare that to the 370Z combined fuel economy of 10.5 K/L, then the FR-S should get about 26 MPG on premium fuel.

I'm really liking the specs. 2700 lbs, RWD, good mpg, and one of the lowest center of gravity cars. Pretty much all it comes down to for me to buy it is how much it will cost and magazine/forum reviews. That and if my Z will ever sell.

premium fuel, huh? oh well. but 26mpg is not bad at all. my G's doing about 16-17mpg on surface roads per my gallons vs actual milage... not that it's a show stopper or anything for me but lower operating costs is always welcome.

(im in and out between meetings so skimming through these articles very quickly).

speedworks · 11-01-2011, 06:31 PM

I don't know guys, I had high expectations for this car, and it seems to be late to the game for what they are bringing. Compare it to the Genesis coupe, which has more hp, a turbo, and is cheaper. Granted this car is lighter, 2700 vs 3300, but with an oem turbo (read easy to upgrade) and a v6 option, the Genesis justs appears on paper to be a better car, and it is already in the market, with tons of aftermarket support. I just think this subyota is late to the game, and doesn't bring anything that makes it stand out. Now if they Sti it, different story.

Just my thoughts, but I will still go drive one to see how it drives

m4a1mustang · 11-01-2011, 06:41 PM

I'm counting on an Sti'd version. If they can put the 305hp torquey boxer in there I will be all over this car. It'd be hella fun.

Isamu · 11-01-2011, 06:52 PM

it's turning out to be everything they said it would be...

Zaggeron · 11-01-2011, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by speedworks

I don't know guys, I had high expectations for this car, and it seems to be late to the game for what they are bringing. Compare it to the Genesis coupe, which has more hp, a turbo, and is cheaper. Granted this car is lighter, 2700 vs 3300, but with an oem turbo (read easy to upgrade) and a v6 option, the Genesis justs appears on paper to be a better car, and it is already in the market, with tons of aftermarket support. I just think this subyota is late to the game, and doesn't bring anything that makes it stand out. Now if they Sti it, different story.

Just my thoughts, but I will still go drive one to see how it drives

The 2012 2.0T Genesis Coupe is rated at 210 HP. Now that's just 10 HP more but it weighs 500 lbs more. Very big difference. The Toyobaru will feel and handle much differently. What's the conversion rate per 100lbs ... something like 10hp. So the Genesis would have to be running something like 260 hp to get the same power/weight ratio as the FT. You might be able to get that by increasing boost, but you still have the inertia of the larger mass to cart around in the Genesis.

Really, they are different sorts of cars and not really meant to be compared (though they obviously are and will be)

Rui Z · 11-01-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

it's turning out to be everything they said it would be...

.....if it stays within $20-25K. Yup, I don't believe this car was ever intended to be a high horsepower car. Are there any other cheap (< $25,000), lightweight (< 3000 lbs), RWD cars out there besides the Miata?

speedworks · 11-01-2011, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Zaggeron

Really, they are different sorts of cars and not really meant to be compared (though they obviously are and will be)

I don't think you can say they are meant to be different, 4 seats, rear drive, front engine, fun, handling, sports coupe. They look almost the exact same, have similar hp, and similar prices. I think they are in direct competition.

Rui Z · 11-01-2011, 07:35 PM

Ya, the 2.0T would be a direct competitor. Assuming the FR-S is sub 25K and handles amazingly, I'd rather have the FR-S over the 2.0T. The lighter, better hp:weight ratio, better looking, Scion/Toyota reliability car outweights the longer warranty and factory turbo for me. I think this car is going to sell very well and Nissan will be forced to come out with a new generation Silvia.

speedworks · 11-01-2011, 07:42 PM

^^

Time for the 240sx to come back

280z/300zx · 11-01-2011, 07:49 PM

Everyone said the Genesis 2.0t was going to sell like hot cakes: RWD, light weight (comparativly) RWD, turbo. Yet it really hasn't taken off like everyone though. I believe the FR-S will be the same. I mean at 20-25k for a base version you are looking at close to 30k for a optioned up model. For that type of money you can buy much better and faster cars. I know this car is supposed to be about handling but thats about the only thing it has going for it. The miata sells a lot because it's cheap and sporty looking, doesn't mean that it's acutally fast. When it comes to most car enthusaists, people want a car that is fast and corners well. For the price range they are talking I would look more at the Genesis V6, Mustang V6, WRX, etc. Time will tell what this car actually becomes and how well it does.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I'm counting on an Sti'd version. If they can put the 305hp torquey boxer in there I will be all over this car. It'd be hella fun. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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Rui Z Track Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: (.)(.) Posts: 931 Drives: 8====D Rep Power: 16	Ya, the 2.0T would be a direct competitor. Assuming the FR-S is sub 25K and handles amazingly, I'd rather have the FR-S over the 2.0T. The lighter, better hp:weight ratio, better looking, Scion/Toyota reliability car outweights the longer warranty and factory turbo for me. I think this car is going to sell very well and Nissan will be forced to come out with a new generation Silvia. __________________

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speedworks Track Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 550 Drives: PW purchased 01/09 Rep Power: 17	I don't know guys, I had high expectations for this car, and it seems to be late to the game for what they are bringing. Compare it to the Genesis coupe, which has more hp, a turbo, and is cheaper. Granted this car is lighter, 2700 vs 3300, but with an oem turbo (read easy to upgrade) and a v6 option, the Genesis justs appears on paper to be a better car, and it is already in the market, with tons of aftermarket support. I just think this subyota is late to the game, and doesn't bring anything that makes it stand out. Now if they Sti it, different story. Just my thoughts, but I will still go drive one to see how it drives

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