2600lbs is a great weight for a car.

Bingo bango!! :tup:

Obviously they are in direct competition. But apple producers and orange producers are in direct competition for your fruit purchases, but you still shouldn't compare apples and oranges. People still do though -- both are hand sized fruits, round (ish), sweet, cost close to the same, etc.

Seriously, what I meant was that they are really quite different sorts of cars leaving aside the obvious similarities

I wonder if the FR-S will even have a backseat for the US market. Is the backseat confirmed for the US? The U.S. spec Honda CR-Z had to eliminate the back seat due to safety concerns here.

This is true. My MR-2 weighed in around 2600 pounds and was an absolute blast to drive, although it was a bit overpowered, the light weight made for a fun companion on mountain roads. You didn't need huge brakes or wide expensive tires to have good handling either.

Will not happen, they will keep it below 280HP to separate the Impreza WRX STi and this car. Though, 280HP in a sub 3,000lb car is still a good setup with plenty of room to work with.

I either see them just de-tuning it to put it around 280HP or use a different turbo setup which will end up limiting it a bit against the Impreza WRX STi.

280 would be more than enough, but with the planned moves for the STI, I don't think it will need to be seperated...

:iagree:

Also Motortrend has a special preview of the BRZ

Yes it does. This car should handle like a go-kart.

But... I hope and pray they offer FI for it. I deeply miss having a lightweight, well handling tossable car, but I DON'T miss having a car that can't get out of it's own way.

Those power and torque figures are NOT impressive, not even on a four banger (recall the figures for the S2K), and certainly not with DI and premium fuel.

Haha yeah, my sdub mr2 and spyder were both a blast to drive.

Scanned this in from the current issue of Car and Driver, which I just received last night:

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1320237940

http://www.the370z.com/attachment.ph...1&d=1320237940

Or think back to the SR20DET in the Silvia line. ~200hp and ~200torque and ~250hp by the time you got to the s15 model.

Then there is the new MR16DDT engine with 188hp and 177torque...

Granted, these are FI engines and the FT engine is NA so not entirely apples to applese, but I expected better numbers. :(

If the Subaru verison only has 210-220 hp I will be thoroughly disappointed. But I'll wait patiently to see what the official specs are. It has the potential to be a really cool car.

Ugh. $28,000 base price and only 1 mpg better than our Z. I hope car and driver are wrong about those numbers.

so what would please the masses here assuming the weight stays at or around 2600....250...300FI?

:iagree: the base needs to be like $22K to make any sense...especially a scion (or suby for that matter). :)

Dr. Evil voice on.................

1 Billion HP!

200 works for me, but I wish it had more torque (~200).

I agree with both of you. Even if the car is lighter by, lets say 500 pounds, it still doesn't make up for the 100+ hp difference. At 28k it is competing with other cars that will out perform it. But if it's cornering performance is equal to the Z and it's styling isn't f'ed up, I might try finding a used one once the Z is paid for.

It depends. With a 2600 curb weight at a 20-22k base price I would say 220-230hp is adequate to be competitive. With a price of 25-28k which is more likely I think 250hp is the bare minimim. The car should also have FI for the simple fact that people like to mod cars and with a N/A 4 banger chances are this car won't really respond to mods all that well.

At 2700 lbs, it would need somewhere around 270 hp to match the Z in acceleration. My guess is that Subaru will introduce a turbo version a year or 2 after the initail car is sold with around a $5K bump.

I wonder if an LSX would fit. Won't be much of a weight penalty at all. :D

lol at everyone modding this car already...


we shall see...

I remember driving a gutted turbo miata once... it was stoopid fun!

Well, the original SR20DE engines are barely 165HP w/ 120lbs of torque.

Still..you think after 20 years later, you would think these newer engines are supposed to be more power efficient, especially when the SR20DE engine had like 30MPG on the freaken god dang Sentra!

You gotta give props, I can't even fit 2 wheels in the Z. Pretty shitty car to go take to the track without a truck/trailer.

Better shot of the interior:

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Anyone know what the 370Z's center of gravity height is?

Lol... my kids will fit just fine. :icon17:

The Z's CG height is 20in or 508mm.

53:47 strikes again!

I really appreciate the emphasis with "Tire transport for track days."

I kina dig this car, but I don't get the "I'll get one as a DD and keep my Z" thing. They are similar enough that if you need a DD as well as a Z, just get a STi, suv, comfy sedan etc vs. some small, impractica for hauling anything, second car, it's almost like saying I have Z, so I'll get another Z as my DD to save my original Z from wear and tear.

Still would love to see and STi'd version of this from Subaru, I'l be really tempted were that to happen...

Actually, that's a great idea! 1 Z for the track, 1 for DD. BRILLIANT! :icon17:

The only reason I said I would use it for a dd and keep the Z is because I honestly have no need for the rear seats. I would just fold them over and use it as a 2 seater with extra storage space and make the Z my weekend fun car.

I'm one of those thinking about this as a DD. The thing is it is quite different from my Z so I don't see the argument for just getting another Z -- though I have thought about getting the coupe for DD and leaving the 'vert for those perfect 'vert days :icon17:. But sometimes tossing around a light, moderately powered, car is a blast.

I need a new DD, but I don't like comfy sedans, STis, etc. I've got no need to haul anything around so this sounds like a good deal all around.

That's honestly one of the coolest features I've seen in a car.


Even if they don't bring a big power version, that motor is supposed to be bulletproof. I bet we see some big numbers out of it when guys slap on FI.

I REALLY wanted this car (and maybe still do...), but for me the quandry is the substantial difference in power.

Now, if TRD offers some sort of blower for the car then I'd be interested again. Otherwise, I'd get this as a second car if in the budget, but not a replacement.

I deeply miss having a lightweight, tossable car, but to go back to a vehicle that needs A LOT of aftermarket support to get out of it's own way... ugh... just can't go through that again.

The two big X factors are:

1. No one in the aftermarket seems to have a very good grasp on tuning a DI motor (yes, it will also have port injection, but not clear whether or not it will be easy to just modify that as a work around).

and

2. newer Toyota ECU's are notoriously tuner unfriendly... that might not matter if it's a Subie ECU (Cobb?), but all unknown at this point.

And of course, not sure I want to light my warranty on fire (and possibly blow the motor) in the struggle to make the car fast in the straights as well as the corners...

A 0 - 60 time of 6 seconds isn't exactly slow. I mean, it isn't fast, but it's entertaining.