I will definitely have to check it out once released though. Might make a good car to use as a DD instead of the Z (would still keep the Z though).

is the subaru version supposed to have more HP?

I read that the subaru is supposed to be the same as the Toyota but different wheels but has a target price of $28k, 200 hp, 28 mpg, 2900 lbs. Wtf?

Only if the sales figures warrant making a hot version do I see there being any significant variance in power between the two. I think at first the main differences will be cosmetic. If it sells like hot cakes I could see an STi version come out. Maybe use the WRX setup? That would give you roughly 65hp more which would make for a very fun rwd car.

I like it a lot... just needs more power...

Argh, really want one of these. Hope I can afford a second car...

Not at first, a "300hp" version might come later.

hummm... the max i would pay for the FRS would be $22K for the base, maybe $25K if they offer a sport model.

200hp would actually be plenty for me as a dd especially if it runs on regular.

Scion FR-S: All the specs
official spec release...


and a teaser of the Suburu version..

It looks like the Subaru version will be the one to wait on. If that rendering holds any accuracy.

more official renderings... if the production looks even sort of similar... much better than the toyota version


but you can already imagine what it will lose... the lower front diffuser probably those LEDs ...obviously the mirrors.... but alteast it has a a rear spoiler...as i said the toyota version really needs one...

and i couldnt see buying brand wise a scion over a subaru anyway


although is sort of looks like a flattened out RX8 in the front to me

Subaru BRZ STI Concept renderings Photo Gallery - Autoblog

looks like it took a bit of ques from the GTR...

still though 200hp and 151tq is making the car god cry

It would be insane for Subaru not to come out with a turbo version the following year or so. they got turbo's just laying around the shop for this engine! :D

so it this considered a poorman's Z?

isamu-thanks for the specs link. i wonder if both trims get the same brakes or not. that would be the deciding factor for me if getting the base or the higher trim. if both are the same cheezy brakes i'll take the base and work my way up with aftermarket bits. i dont care about the wheels, stereo, etc. those will be replaced anyway. im happy to read MT will get limited slip even on base. :)

not really, considering the price point and weight

yah, actually 200hp and lighter weight is a great combo for me. it reminds me of an old prelude i had (Gen5 98). :icon17: and it eating regular unleaded is a plus.

it looks ok.. my own photochops make it look better imho..
not a fan of the fenders

Agreed. Performance-wise, I betting very close to an RX-8 in acceleration and handling. Not bad at all for the price. Now if subaru drops in turbos and adds about $5000....watch out!

yah, the price point needs to be $22K for the base to make sense. otherwise i would just spend another $15K or so and get a nicer car all together and call it a day.

I wouldn't be surprised if these bad boys will be hitting 10's in a shorter period of time it took for the 5.0s

at 25k with how much potential these are going to have.. this is going to be the new boy racer car, but it will make a killer DD

I had a 2001 prelude but for me, going from 332 to 200 is not something I want to experience again. The 370z is a nice dd. I think by the time a turbo comes out the z, cayman, vette, tt will be out or coming out, not that these cars are competitors.

I would be all over a turbo Subaru version.

yah, i dont need it to go super fast. but it needs to be fun to drive and look good.

hahaha. :D yah i know exactly wat you mean. but, im not selling my 370Z so it's not an issue for me. i just want something cheap, pretty quick, and good looking when im done with my G. i need 4 seats (got 2 kids) but dont want 4 doors unless it's a boxy hatch. if i dont get this i will look probably at the 135i's.

I didn't say anything about going fast in that post, i meant potential like cheap to mode and have supurb handling, and the ability to get up an move.

On the link Isamu provided, they have a comparison chart attachment that indicates the FRS will be running on premium fuel. It will get 12.8 kilometers/liter. If you compare that to the 370Z combined fuel economy of 10.5 K/L, then the FR-S should get about 26 MPG on premium fuel.

I'm really liking the specs. 2700 lbs, RWD, good mpg, and one of the lowest center of gravity cars. Pretty much all it comes down to for me to buy it is how much it will cost and magazine/forum reviews. That and if my Z will ever sell.

"boyracer" always refers to kinda fast... so


premium fuel, huh? oh well. but 26mpg is not bad at all. my G's doing about 16-17mpg on surface roads per my gallons vs actual milage... not that it's a show stopper or anything for me but lower operating costs is always welcome. :tup:

(im in and out between meetings so skimming through these articles very quickly).

I don't know guys, I had high expectations for this car, and it seems to be late to the game for what they are bringing. Compare it to the Genesis coupe, which has more hp, a turbo, and is cheaper. Granted this car is lighter, 2700 vs 3300, but with an oem turbo (read easy to upgrade) and a v6 option, the Genesis justs appears on paper to be a better car, and it is already in the market, with tons of aftermarket support. I just think this subyota is late to the game, and doesn't bring anything that makes it stand out. Now if they Sti it, different story.

Just my thoughts, but I will still go drive one to see how it drives :)

I'm counting on an Sti'd version. If they can put the 305hp torquey boxer in there I will be all over this car. It'd be hella fun.

it's turning out to be everything they said it would be...

The 2012 2.0T Genesis Coupe is rated at 210 HP. Now that's just 10 HP more but it weighs 500 lbs more. Very big difference. The Toyobaru will feel and handle much differently. What's the conversion rate per 100lbs ... something like 10hp. So the Genesis would have to be running something like 260 hp to get the same power/weight ratio as the FT. You might be able to get that by increasing boost, but you still have the inertia of the larger mass to cart around in the Genesis.

Really, they are different sorts of cars and not really meant to be compared (though they obviously are and will be)

.....if it stays within $20-25K. Yup, I don't believe this car was ever intended to be a high horsepower car. Are there any other cheap (< $25,000), lightweight (< 3000 lbs), RWD cars out there besides the Miata?

I don't think you can say they are meant to be different, 4 seats, rear drive, front engine, fun, handling, sports coupe. They look almost the exact same, have similar hp, and similar prices. I think they are in direct competition.

Ya, the 2.0T would be a direct competitor. Assuming the FR-S is sub 25K and handles amazingly, I'd rather have the FR-S over the 2.0T. The lighter, better hp:weight ratio, better looking, Scion/Toyota reliability car outweights the longer warranty and factory turbo for me. I think this car is going to sell very well and Nissan will be forced to come out with a new generation Silvia.

^^

Time for the 240sx to come back :)

Everyone said the Genesis 2.0t was going to sell like hot cakes: RWD, light weight (comparativly) RWD, turbo. Yet it really hasn't taken off like everyone though. I believe the FR-S will be the same. I mean at 20-25k for a base version you are looking at close to 30k for a optioned up model. For that type of money you can buy much better and faster cars. I know this car is supposed to be about handling but thats about the only thing it has going for it. The miata sells a lot because it's cheap and sporty looking, doesn't mean that it's acutally fast. When it comes to most car enthusaists, people want a car that is fast and corners well. For the price range they are talking I would look more at the Genesis V6, Mustang V6, WRX, etc. Time will tell what this car actually becomes and how well it does.

FR-S could very well end up as a cultish car like the Miata. At 2,600 lbs for the base that's pretty awesome.

MR24DDT!!!! The 1.6L already puts out ~190hp so I would expect at least 260hp from a 2.4L.

However, the Silvia can't come back unless they axe the Z or bump its performace. I'm hoping with them bumping the GTR to 530 and maybe 580 next year, they are planning to grow the Z. :happydance:

V6 Stang, better mpg, more power, same price. :happydance:

Yeah but the FRS comes in at 2600 lbs. I don't know how many people here have driven cars under 3,000 lbs before (probably not many), but 2,600 lbs feels A LOT different than 3600, 3300, or even 3200 lbs!!!!!

I won't bite for the Scion, but if the Subaru version tickles my fancy I will be all over it in a heartbeat.