2016 Alpha platform Camaro

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I used True Car and GM Employee pricing for a reason... it's very close to what you actually pay for the car in the real world.

I get that, but next year there won't be a premium on Camaro. Since the Camaro is all new. Averages will be different. Like last year when mustang dropped. Camaro was giving $2,500 bonus cash to make sure they sell so it's all relative. I'm going by manufacturer because over the 6+year model range.these are the numbers that will begin to blur into each other . As we saw with the last gen cars.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 11:58 AM

I suppose that's fair, however I feel like using the employee pricing (which is right around invoice) gives you a pretty fair comparison since you should expect to pay invoice or better for any car, even the new Camaro.

Also helps that Ford bumped prices across the board by $1300 recently. Not sure why.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 11:58 AM

Actually, that $1300 bump could be part of the discrepancy. Subaruwrxfan bought his Mustang long before the increase.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 01:31 PM

At the end of the day. They are two great cars. In reality, I like both cars. If I were buying, I'd have have to think it through though I lean toward Camaro.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

At the end of the day. They are two great cars. In reality, I like both cars. If I were buying, I'd have have to think it through though I lean toward Camaro.

I'll agree with you there, brother! I'd say I prefer the Mustang overall due to the look and the visibility/function. Unfortunately the Camaro's looks don't do much for me. I think it has one or two badass angles (front and front quarter) but other than that I don't see myself turning around to look at it as I walk away, if you know what I mean. I still would need to get some quality driving time with one before I could fully make a decision, though!

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-22-2015, 03:17 PM

From my perspective...

I prefer the mustang slightly in looks but the Camaro in stance.

I prefer the Camaro interior but prefer mustang e brake.

I prefer Camaro torque but prefer mustang high rev nature.

Steering in a Camaro is better

Seating position in a Camaro is much better.

Braking in a Camaro is better

Visibility in a Stang is better.

Street presence is tied.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 03:25 PM

I wish Ford would make the magic shocks an option on the GT.

m4a1mustang · 12-22-2015, 06:38 PM

Expanding on what you said about looks, I really love the Mustang from most all angles. I think it has a very classic and sexy shape, sort of like the Z does. Looks elegant in many ways.

The Camaro on the other hand is a total brute... sharp lines and creases chiseled from a brick basically. I love the front and front-quarter view, but am not a huge fan of the side profile or rear view.

I think the Camaro looks brilliant from this angle:

But not really this:

Or this:

I still really like it, though... Sometimes I wish I was diehard Ford or Chevy so I could just dismiss one or the other and not have to make any tough decisions.

Also, important to note that the Camaro in those pictures has the sunroof, which I've heard severely limits headroom. It also doesn't look very appealing. If I ordered a Camaro I'd get it without the sunroof so I could have the "double bubble" roof.

Source: CAMARO6 - View Single Post - Official HYPER BLUE 6th Gen Camaro Thread

Red__Zed · 12-22-2015, 10:00 PM

^ Camaro looks much better in that color

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-24-2015, 01:00 PM

There's a lot going on in the back of the Camaro. I think the back in black looks good. Also in the dark red and grey. Other colors the back starts looking a little strange.
Off the side it's average. It still looks like the old Camaro with a different back window.
The sunroof has less visual appeal. But Chevy makes a quality su roof. The vacuum effect in certain positions allows cool air to rush in without the need for AC on warm days. But I feel you on the hard top.

I just remembered... I made mention a year ago when I first posted this that the 2.0T would match or exceed the performance of the ecoboost based on its performance in the heavier ATS. I got nay sayed by someone and they gave me an ecoboost speech. A year later in practice, the proof is in the stats. With 40 horsepower deficit and less torque, is virtually a match to the ecoboost. Good job GM. Having driven the ATS 2.0T performance on a few occasions. I know that Camaro will be fun, torquey and quick. Doing more with less. This is why, we buy Japanese cars. They do more with less. GM did well with turbos in the 80's. They gave up on a niche they had locked. Glad to see them back.

m4a1mustang · 12-24-2015, 01:26 PM

I don't care about anything but the V8s in these cars.

Oh, had a chance to check them both out back to back yesterday. I didn't drive them, but I can say at least in terms of seating position I prefer the Camaro. It's lower and more sports car-like. There are more hard plastics in the Camaro, though, but they tend to be in out of reach spaces.

I actually prefer it's interior to the C7. :embarassed:

m4a1mustang · 12-24-2015, 01:31 PM

Another thing about both the Camaro and Mustang... in person they don't look anything like how they do in photographs. Both look better in the flesh.

Camaro is starting to tug at my heartstrings a little, too.

The one I looked at yesterday was Hyper Blue.

I like that kind of blue, as evidenced by our 335.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-24-2015, 06:14 PM

Agreed on all points Yeah in practice I'd only buy a v8. But also loving tech as a whole. Impressed with great turbo engines. I think 2.0T in GM is a great engine.

The corvette idash s looking dated already compared to the Camaro dash.

m4a1mustang · 12-24-2015, 07:10 PM

I still think the C7 is a nice place to be, but there is a lot going on there. The Camaro is just simple, comfortable, and feels just as nice as the C7 (except in the areas where it uses hard plastics.) GM's choice of leather (probably synthetic) that they use on the door trim, dash insert, and arm rest is very nice and feels high end. The 8" screen with the downward tilt looks fantastic too, with virtually zero glare.

Also, the "blade spoiler" is now an option on the Camaro configurator. I believe this is it... I like this A LOT better than the wing!

( Click to show/hide )

The only negative to the Camaro is that if you like to look up at things or put your arm out the window, you can't really do it. The door sills are super high and the roof is very low. The Z has better visibility, for sure. But it's not *too* bad.

UNKNOWN_370 · 12-24-2015, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I still think the C7 is a nice place to be, but there is a lot going on there. The Camaro is just simple, comfortable, and feels just as nice as the C7 (except in the areas where it uses hard plastics.) GM's choice of leather (probably synthetic) that they use on the door trim, dash insert, and arm rest is very nice and feels high end. The 8" screen with the downward tilt looks fantastic too, with virtually zero glare.

Also, the "blade spoiler" is now an option on the Camaro configurator. I believe this is it... I like this A LOT better than the wing!

( Click to show/hide )

The only negative to the Camaro is that if you like to look up at things or put your arm out the window, you can't really do it. The door sills are super high and the roof is very low. The Z has better visibility, for sure. But it's not *too* bad.

The vette is nice inside... Camaro is visually nicer. As you stated the Camaro has more hard plastic. More area to furnish while keeping costs down in the Camaro.

I would definitely go Blade!!

12-22-2015, 11:58 AM	#572 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I suppose that's fair, however I feel like using the employee pricing (which is right around invoice) gives you a pretty fair comparison since you should expect to pay invoice or better for any car, even the new Camaro. Also helps that Ford bumped prices across the board by $1300 recently. Not sure why. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-22-2015, 11:58 AM	#573 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Actually, that $1300 bump could be part of the discrepancy. Subaruwrxfan bought his Mustang long before the increase. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-22-2015, 01:31 PM	#574 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	At the end of the day. They are two great cars. In reality, I like both cars. If I were buying, I'd have have to think it through though I lean toward Camaro. m4a1mustang likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

12-22-2015, 03:17 PM	#576 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	From my perspective... I prefer the mustang slightly in looks but the Camaro in stance. I prefer the Camaro interior but prefer mustang e brake. I prefer Camaro torque but prefer mustang high rev nature. Steering in a Camaro is better Seating position in a Camaro is much better. Braking in a Camaro is better Visibility in a Stang is better. Street presence is tied. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 12-22-2015 at 04:18 PM.

12-22-2015, 03:25 PM	#577 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I wish Ford would make the magic shocks an option on the GT. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-22-2015, 06:38 PM	#578 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Expanding on what you said about looks, I really love the Mustang from most all angles. I think it has a very classic and sexy shape, sort of like the Z does. Looks elegant in many ways. The Camaro on the other hand is a total brute... sharp lines and creases chiseled from a brick basically. I love the front and front-quarter view, but am not a huge fan of the side profile or rear view. I think the Camaro looks brilliant from this angle: But not really this: Or this: I still really like it, though... Sometimes I wish I was diehard Ford or Chevy so I could just dismiss one or the other and not have to make any tough decisions. Also, important to note that the Camaro in those pictures has the sunroof, which I've heard severely limits headroom. It also doesn't look very appealing. If I ordered a Camaro I'd get it without the sunroof so I could have the "double bubble" roof. Source: CAMARO6 - View Single Post - Official HYPER BLUE 6th Gen Camaro Thread __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-22-2015, 10:00 PM	#579 (permalink)
Red__Zed A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: window seat Posts: 28,940 Drives: Mostly on two wheels Rep Power: 120	^ Camaro looks much better in that color

12-24-2015, 01:00 PM	#580 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	There's a lot going on in the back of the Camaro. I think the back in black looks good. Also in the dark red and grey. Other colors the back starts looking a little strange. Off the side it's average. It still looks like the old Camaro with a different back window. The sunroof has less visual appeal. But Chevy makes a quality su roof. The vacuum effect in certain positions allows cool air to rush in without the need for AC on warm days. But I feel you on the hard top. I just remembered... I made mention a year ago when I first posted this that the 2.0T would match or exceed the performance of the ecoboost based on its performance in the heavier ATS. I got nay sayed by someone and they gave me an ecoboost speech. A year later in practice, the proof is in the stats. With 40 horsepower deficit and less torque, is virtually a match to the ecoboost. Good job GM. Having driven the ATS 2.0T performance on a few occasions. I know that Camaro will be fun, torquey and quick. Doing more with less. This is why, we buy Japanese cars. They do more with less. GM did well with turbos in the 80's. They gave up on a niche they had locked. Glad to see them back. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

12-24-2015, 01:26 PM	#581 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I don't care about anything but the V8s in these cars. Oh, had a chance to check them both out back to back yesterday. I didn't drive them, but I can say at least in terms of seating position I prefer the Camaro. It's lower and more sports car-like. There are more hard plastics in the Camaro, though, but they tend to be in out of reach spaces. I actually prefer it's interior to the C7. :embarassed: UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

12-24-2015, 01:31 PM	#582 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Another thing about both the Camaro and Mustang... in person they don't look anything like how they do in photographs. Both look better in the flesh. Camaro is starting to tug at my heartstrings a little, too. The one I looked at yesterday was Hyper Blue. I like that kind of blue, as evidenced by our 335. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 12-24-2015 at 01:33 PM.

12-24-2015, 06:14 PM	#583 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Agreed on all points Yeah in practice I'd only buy a v8. But also loving tech as a whole. Impressed with great turbo engines. I think 2.0T in GM is a great engine. The corvette idash s looking dated already compared to the Camaro dash. m4a1mustang likes this. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

12-24-2015, 07:10 PM	#584 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I still think the C7 is a nice place to be, but there is a lot going on there. The Camaro is just simple, comfortable, and feels just as nice as the C7 (except in the areas where it uses hard plastics.) GM's choice of leather (probably synthetic) that they use on the door trim, dash insert, and arm rest is very nice and feels high end. The 8" screen with the downward tilt looks fantastic too, with virtually zero glare. Also, the "blade spoiler" is now an option on the Camaro configurator. I believe this is it... I like this A LOT better than the wing! ( Click to show/hide ) The only negative to the Camaro is that if you like to look up at things or put your arm out the window, you can't really do it. The door sills are super high and the roof is very low. The Z has better visibility, for sure. But it's not too bad. UNKNOWN_370 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook! Last edited by m4a1mustang; 12-24-2015 at 07:14 PM.

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