Subaru BRZ leaving so soon?

UNKNOWN_370

Or when your track times tied with a $26,000 FWD Civic.

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kenchan

but jokes aside, honda knows how to make FWD cars. im not surprised they can make a civic that can take on a brz.

honestly with the civic-r, i would be pretty nervous if there was one tailing me in my Z going through a touge, especially downhill.

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So the real question is...

Is the Civic that good, or is the FRS that bad?

My guess is that the Twins have more work to be done. They should have been able to pull off a one-second win at minimum.

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Jordo!

Other FWD hot hatches have blown away the 86 too. I think it's just that FWD cars have always been capable of matching RWD cars in performance with some tweaking, but now they roll off the assembly lines much better sorted than they used to.

FF cars are usually light and relatively nimble. The biggest issues have always been torque steer if over powered and massive understeer.

Set the car up correctly, and tune the transaxle to put the power down with stability control, and you've got a car that at worst just has to overcome physics in straight-line acceleration. Set the weight transfer right, and you can mitigate that too.

Then all that's left is the stigma of imagined "un-sportyness"

Put another way, a FR setup has a lot going for it, but on its own, it is nothing special.

So, yeah, the Civic Si is an excellent, sporty FF and the twins are poorly set-up FR's.

A FR without enough torque to get out of it's own way and an add campaign that emphasizes sliding around on skinny tires and "feel" over performance: Why?

They should have made the car with better low end grunt, even a the cost of some top end, to capitalize on the FR set-up -- that single change would have transformed the vehicle into something entirely better.

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kenchan

civic si is very predictable so it is easy to go fast through the turns.

and if the civic-r is even better than the si, then one would have to be an extremely good driver in a brz/frs to beat it.

Z1NONLY

Stock tires on the twins are basically rock-hard Prius tires. They did this to make the car more "fun". (meaning you can break the back end loose without needing a lot of HP)

I have driven these on track. The Twins are really great cars.

Put the same tires on both cars in this test and the BRZ/FRS wins comfortably.

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I know why they put Prius tires on the car. Conceptually, I understand why the car will be fun on a track. Any car would be fun on a track with tires like that. As long as you have enough skill to keep the car under control, shytty tires make cars slip and slide better. There's no magic to that. Put those tires on a Z and you will have just as much fun or more because at least the power is there. I give RESPECT to the cars balance and LCOG. But the twins need an overhaul of Quality, features, price tag and power

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