Gen Coupe dump 4turbo

7speed · 05-29-2014, 06:10 PM

2015 Hyundai Genesis Coupe dumps turbo four, goes V6 only - Autoblog

You hear that Nissan, don't even offer that option for the Z.

Jordo! · 05-29-2014, 06:21 PM

Hmm. Guess nobody wanted that one. Was there an even lower tier version that was closely priced to the boosted one? How much more was the V6?

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2014, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7speed

2015 Hyundai Genesis Coupe dumps turbo four, goes V6 only - Autoblog

You hear that Nissan, don't even offer that option for the Z.

Wasn't that some flavor of a Mitsu engine or am I remembering wrong?

7speed · 05-29-2014, 06:37 PM

They cheapest 4 banger is cheaper than cheapest v6 by about 4 grand. Yeah I wonder if more people actually bought v6 over 4.

Yeah your right, 4 banger was some kinda Hyundai, Chrysler, Mitsu collaboration, based on Evo. Sh(t, now that you say maybe they are just preparing for the end of Evo and won't have scale of use for the 4.

Chuck33079 · 05-29-2014, 06:37 PM

Does it have anything to do with Mitsu giving up on making interesting cars so they likely killed their 2.0T?

wanker · 05-29-2014, 06:50 PM

It could also be due to warranty/consumer complaints with the turbos. Turbos always have consumer complaint and warranty issues, at least in the US. (If you read consumer reviews of the GC turbos, you'd be dismayed at the number of banal consumer complaint regarding the noise etc.) Plus Naturally aspirated V-6s are always cheaper to build and service.

Volk Z · 06-19-2014, 12:56 AM

My wife has the sonata turbo 274hp motor 50k miles no complaints same engine as the newer gen coupe 4 cyl. The motor is strong for sure. I remember the testing where they tried to blow it up on a track and failed.
Reliability it's a great engine.
I'm assuming that the market for the gen couple most people wanted the higher performer for a little more money.
Unlike camaros and Mustang who get all sorts of buyers that are ok to have a v6 or 4 cylinder in their "muscle car" I use those quotes loosely.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-19-2014, 11:07 AM

I think it stems from the unreliabilityof the Genesis Coupe 2.0. Over the years Hyundai just couldn't get it together when it came to the 2.0. They replaced 50% of the transmissions and I have had many ECU issues on the 2.0. Modders have been very dissatisfied with the output of the pre 13 models. Posts: 13 the Genesis Coupe isn't as bad but the same tranny issues exist and many customers complain the car does not feel like a turbo.
the 3.8 puts down more power more torque $2000 more. turbo and supercharger kits are cheap for the 3.8 and costs about the same how to mod as the 2.0. The 2.0 end results in half the output. and no transmission issues with the 3.8

From the way the article reads, it also seems like the gencoupe will be going harder at the Q 60 coupe aka g37. By cutting out the 2.0 they can invest more money into the 3.8 to make it a better competitor.

With the new Kia GT Coupe RWD concept out now I'm pretty sure the 2.0 will be used in that car and will probably have better transmission and ECU mapping. The Kia GT, looks like it may be a FRS killer?

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-19-2014, 03:31 PM

Kia GT4 Stinger concept may be closer to production than you think - Autoblog

The Kia GT4 stinger.

Volk Z · 06-22-2014, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Kia GT4 Stinger concept may be closer to production than you think - Autoblog

The Kia GT4 stinger.

I brought this car up in one of the new 2016 Z threads. A 2800 pound car with 315 hp would put down some great numbers. My estimate would be a 0-60 in 4.4 seconds or less. Also with how inexpensive it is to mod a turbo car to gain power vs an NA car would make this or a 4 cylinder turbo Z very tempting.

Tazicon · 06-22-2014, 11:16 AM

That's weird as most of the Gen Coupes I see are the 2.0t. I thought they were very popular.

7speed · 07-24-2014, 07:15 PM

I just drove 2.0t and 3.8 gen coupe(looking to replace my z that dealer doesn't know what to fix and blames intake and hfc).

I see y they wanna get rid of that 2.0t motor. It doesn't sound good and not meant for a sporty coupe that size and doesn't seem like a good match to manny tranny. V6 was better but I still didn't feel the connection. I really wanted to like the car too. I'll have to drive v6 again later.

I drove rspec, nice seats, and radio though.

Limeybastard · 07-27-2014, 01:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tazicon

That's weird as most of the Gen Coupes I see are the 2.0t. I thought they were very popular.

Was gonna say the same thing.

One of my pet peevs with Hyundai is that they facelift their cars every 6 weeks.

kenchan · 07-28-2014, 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7speed

2015 Hyundai Genesis Coupe dumps turbo four, goes V6 only - Autoblog

You hear that Nissan, don't even offer that option for the Z.

the GT500 GTR's are 4banger turbo's..

UNKNOWN_370 · 07-29-2014, 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7speed

I just drove 2.0t and 3.8 gen coupe(looking to replace my z that dealer doesn't know what to fix and blames intake and hfc).

I see y they wanna get rid of that 2.0t motor. It doesn't sound good and not meant for a sporty coupe that size and doesn't seem like a good match to manny tranny. V6 was better but I still didn't feel the connection. I really wanted to like the car too. I'll have to drive v6 again later.

I drove rspec, nice seats, and radio though.

. I drove the 2010 and 2012 3.8 gencoupes. Touring & track. And drove the 2012 2.0 r-spec.
I found the track model very good for the street. It just needs tires as wide as our Z sport to really get better grip in the corners. Also it needs a lower COG for overall roadholding. That would give it some track prowess. The steerings is numb unless you push the car hard, then it livens up and feels nicely weighted.

What is wrong with the 2.0 is it is a Sams Club version of the venerable, yet frugal Lancer engine. How Hyundai justified cheapening parts on an already cheap engine is beyond me???
Then the 2.0 did not mate well with the Aisin, retuned the Aisin with the ECU.. Nothing. ZF tranny... nothing. Hyundai sourced... Still unreliable. The 2.0 has been unreliable with all 3 transmissions. My guess is, Hyundai woke up and realized you can't build a SAMS club engine for the track and they are pulling it from the market.

I think we will see the 2.0 built right and working right in the upcoming KIA GT4 coupe. Kia did wonders with the Koup. They call it an 8/10 civic in performance with better interior. NOT bad comparitive statement considering how loved the Civic is. Lets see what happens when they put Macys parts to replace the old sams club bits.

05-29-2014, 06:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
7speed Track Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 697 Drives: 09 370 sports clone Rep Power: 13	Gen Coupe dump 4turbo 2015 Hyundai Genesis Coupe dumps turbo four, goes V6 only - Autoblog You hear that Nissan, don't even offer that option for the Z. __________________ 09 370z 6spd traded 1/12/15 for 15 Challenger RT 6spd

05-29-2014, 06:21 PM	#2 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	Hmm. Guess nobody wanted that one. Was there an even lower tier version that was closely priced to the boosted one? How much more was the V6? __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it.

05-29-2014, 06:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
7speed Track Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 697 Drives: 09 370 sports clone Rep Power: 13	They cheapest 4 banger is cheaper than cheapest v6 by about 4 grand. Yeah I wonder if more people actually bought v6 over 4. Yeah your right, 4 banger was some kinda Hyundai, Chrysler, Mitsu collaboration, based on Evo. Sh(t, now that you say maybe they are just preparing for the end of Evo and won't have scale of use for the 4. __________________ 09 370z 6spd traded 1/12/15 for 15 Challenger RT 6spd Last edited by 7speed; 05-29-2014 at 06:41 PM.

05-29-2014, 06:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	Does it have anything to do with Mitsu giving up on making interesting cars so they likely killed their 2.0T? __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

05-29-2014, 06:50 PM	#6 (permalink)
wanker Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: San Diego Posts: 443 Drives: 2011 370Z S/T A7 Rep Power: 2901	It could also be due to warranty/consumer complaints with the turbos. Turbos always have consumer complaint and warranty issues, at least in the US. (If you read consumer reviews of the GC turbos, you'd be dismayed at the number of banal consumer complaint regarding the noise etc.) Plus Naturally aspirated V-6s are always cheaper to build and service. UNKNOWN_370 likes this.

06-19-2014, 12:56 AM	#7 (permalink)
Volk Z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Laguna Beach, CA Posts: 2,214 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 3066	My wife has the sonata turbo 274hp motor 50k miles no complaints same engine as the newer gen coupe 4 cyl. The motor is strong for sure. I remember the testing where they tried to blow it up on a track and failed. Reliability it's a great engine. I'm assuming that the market for the gen couple most people wanted the higher performer for a little more money. Unlike camaros and Mustang who get all sorts of buyers that are ok to have a v6 or 4 cylinder in their "muscle car" I use those quotes loosely. __________________ AMUSE * TOMEI * STILLEN * CRAFTSQUARE RECARO * 3M * TOP SECRET * SLICKCARBON

06-19-2014, 11:07 AM	#8 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	I think it stems from the unreliabilityof the Genesis Coupe 2.0. Over the years Hyundai just couldn't get it together when it came to the 2.0. They replaced 50% of the transmissions and I have had many ECU issues on the 2.0. Modders have been very dissatisfied with the output of the pre 13 models. Posts: 13 the Genesis Coupe isn't as bad but the same tranny issues exist and many customers complain the car does not feel like a turbo. the 3.8 puts down more power more torque $2000 more. turbo and supercharger kits are cheap for the 3.8 and costs about the same how to mod as the 2.0. The 2.0 end results in half the output. and no transmission issues with the 3.8 From the way the article reads, it also seems like the gencoupe will be going harder at the Q 60 coupe aka g37. By cutting out the 2.0 they can invest more money into the 3.8 to make it a better competitor. With the new Kia GT Coupe RWD concept out now I'm pretty sure the 2.0 will be used in that car and will probably have better transmission and ECU mapping. The Kia GT, looks like it may be a FRS killer? __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980 Last edited by UNKNOWN_370; 06-19-2014 at 03:30 PM.

06-19-2014, 03:31 PM	#9 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Kia GT4 Stinger concept may be closer to production than you think - Autoblog The Kia GT4 stinger. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

06-22-2014, 11:16 AM	#11 (permalink)
Tazicon Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Vegas Baby! Posts: 773 Drives: German/British cars Rep Power: 14	That's weird as most of the Gen Coupes I see are the 2.0t. I thought they were very popular. __________________ Porsche, it's a 2 syllable word

07-24-2014, 07:15 PM	#12 (permalink)
7speed Track Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Dallas Posts: 697 Drives: 09 370 sports clone Rep Power: 13	I just drove 2.0t and 3.8 gen coupe(looking to replace my z that dealer doesn't know what to fix and blames intake and hfc). I see y they wanna get rid of that 2.0t motor. It doesn't sound good and not meant for a sporty coupe that size and doesn't seem like a good match to manny tranny. V6 was better but I still didn't feel the connection. I really wanted to like the car too. I'll have to drive v6 again later. I drove rspec, nice seats, and radio though. __________________ 09 370z 6spd traded 1/12/15 for 15 Challenger RT 6spd

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