Nissan Corp. bullying American employees.

Jordo! · 05-05-2014, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Indeed it can be. Greed by corporations, greed by unions. Plenty of greed to go around. It's an occasional-but unfortunate byproduct of capitalism, the foundation of the US economy. Fortunately, there are laws about that now. Yes....thanks in large part to unions, from back in the days when they were more useful than harmful to the US economy.

This is why completely unrestrained capitalism (essentially, the path the US has been on up through the Great Depression, and then again after about 1979 onward) is a bad thing for the vast majority of the people.

Jobs are only coming back to the US because it's recently become cheaper to employ US citizens than workers in offshore sweatshops -- that's nothing to celebrate.

Close relevant tax loopholes and introduce penalties for moving jobs offshore (but good luck seeing such legislature pass...)

The result is the current economy where there is vast wealth in the hands of a very, very small group, a completely obliterated middle class, and (hilariously) jobs coming back to the US 'cause its cheaper.

In short: Further cost cutting isn't the solution and never was.

The invisible hand is not invisible, a force of nature, nor even a hand; it's a well developed, highly controlled, rapaciously grasping razor sharp claw. Organized workers (and citizens who understand this) reflect the only force historically capable of blunting it.

MacCool · 05-05-2014, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

This is why completely unrestrained capitalism (essentially, the path the US has been on up through the Great Depression, and then again after about 1979 onward) is a bad thing for the vast majority of the people.

Jobs are only coming back to the US because it's recently become cheaper to employ US citizens than workers in offshore sweatshops -- that's nothing to celebrate.

Close relevant tax loopholes and introduce penalties for moving jobs offshore (but good luck seeing such legislature pass...)

The result is the current economy where there is vast wealth in the hands of a very, very small group, a completely obliterated middle class, and (hilariously) jobs coming back to the US 'cause its cheaper.

In short: Further cost cutting isn't the solution and never was.

The invisible hand is not invisible, a force of nature, nor even a hand; it's a well developed, highly controlled, rapaciously grasping razor sharp claw. Organized workers (and citizens who understand this) reflect the only force historically capable of blunting it.

Thank you Mr. President....

Jordo! · 05-06-2014, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MacCool

Thank you Mr. President....

Thank FDR

MMC Racing · 05-06-2014, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo!

This is why completely unrestrained capitalism (essentially, the path the US has been on up through the Great Depression, and then again after about 1979 onward) is a bad thing for the vast majority of the people.

Jobs are only coming back to the US because it's recently become cheaper to employ US citizens than workers in offshore sweatshops -- that's nothing to celebrate.

This is not true at all. The salaries are still not cheaper. What has changed is the offshore work is no longer cheap enough to offset the negatives that exist - intellectual property theft, shipping costs, shifting government regulations, cultures that expect bribes as part of standard business, etc.

America is not cheaper, the gap is just much closer when all things are considered these days.

Dustin@Z1 · 05-05-2014, 10:14 AM

As a former Nissan employee I cannot stand the idea of a union. Carlos Ghosn is HARDCORE anti-union as is NML. Ghosn has already spent a great amount of money fending off the unions.

The problem is not "Nissan"...it is the subcontracting company Yates and Kelly services in my opinion. Plants like Canton Mississippi consist of predominantly "Yates" contracted employees. These are the ones who are seeking Union representation. Smyrna is majority "NISSAN" employees, while Decherd is a mixed ratio of Yates and Nissan.

As a Nissan employee, the treatment by the company is AWESOME. I enjoyed working for the company every minute I was there and have nothing but great things to say. However, the Yates side of the company is lackluster in my opinion.

Dustin@Z1 · 05-05-2014, 10:17 AM

I recall seeing DOZENS of employees on my shift rocking "Anti-UAW" shirts and decals on their personal vehicles in the parking lots.

daisuke149 · 05-05-2014, 11:43 AM

Lets keep in mind, that as stated by someone, that the idea of unions is still good and valid. And there is a need. There are alot of smaller unions that still do great things. But there are some (the largest at times) that lose their way. Attempting to justify their existence.

Bad people on both sides many times. Greed exists in individuals, corporations, unions, etc.

When i did a short stint at ATT during school, they had unions there. They presented, etc and pretty much pressured the join. Those who did not join were bullied in a way. When it came down to a incident at work where I followed the released bulliten to the entire enterprise, and my boss did not read it, thus raised the issue as to why I was doing the task. The union, protected her as a long standing member stating that I should not challenge a senior union member who has worked here for a while. I quit.

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05-05-2014, 10:14 AM	#5 (permalink)
Dustin@Z1 The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NLA Posts: 1,313 Drives: NLA Rep Power: 18	As a former Nissan employee I cannot stand the idea of a union. Carlos Ghosn is HARDCORE anti-union as is NML. Ghosn has already spent a great amount of money fending off the unions. The problem is not "Nissan"...it is the subcontracting company Yates and Kelly services in my opinion. Plants like Canton Mississippi consist of predominantly "Yates" contracted employees. These are the ones who are seeking Union representation. Smyrna is majority "NISSAN" employees, while Decherd is a mixed ratio of Yates and Nissan. As a Nissan employee, the treatment by the company is AWESOME. I enjoyed working for the company every minute I was there and have nothing but great things to say. However, the Yates side of the company is lackluster in my opinion.

05-05-2014, 10:17 AM	#6 (permalink)
Dustin@Z1 The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: NLA Posts: 1,313 Drives: NLA Rep Power: 18	I recall seeing DOZENS of employees on my shift rocking "Anti-UAW" shirts and decals on their personal vehicles in the parking lots.

05-05-2014, 11:43 AM	#7 (permalink)
daisuke149 My *** is famous! Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 4,849 Drives: 2013 Boss 302 PW Rep Power: 32	Lets keep in mind, that as stated by someone, that the idea of unions is still good and valid. And there is a need. There are alot of smaller unions that still do great things. But there are some (the largest at times) that lose their way. Attempting to justify their existence. Bad people on both sides many times. Greed exists in individuals, corporations, unions, etc. When i did a short stint at ATT during school, they had unions there. They presented, etc and pretty much pressured the join. Those who did not join were bullied in a way. When it came down to a incident at work where I followed the released bulliten to the entire enterprise, and my boss did not read it, thus raised the issue as to why I was doing the task. The union, protected her as a long standing member stating that I should not challenge a senior union member who has worked here for a while. I quit.