Motortrend: Z/28 vs 911 Turbo S vs GTR
 

Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 vs. Porsche 911 Turbo S vs. Nissan GT-R Comparison - Motor Trend

:usa: Domestics beating Imports at their own game... for a fraction of the cost at that :woot:

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I'm all for :usa:, but I smell :bs:

Yea....what DE said. A Camaro besting a GTR AND Turbo S???? Folks are stoned at Motor Trend. Reminds me of an old article about the 350Z and RX8 going at it in 2004. The Z made a mockery of the Mazda in EVERY performance test they did. Complete domination but MT awarded the 8 the better car due to a backseat and basically driving comfort...wtf?

So the purpose-built track slut on damn near race tires beat the two street cars on street tires? And people are surprised? These magazines need to have a spec tire they put all their test cars on.

Pretty impressive but a $75k Camaro???

AND in the rain... I just don't see it happening

Not to mention in that comparison every domestic fanboy just seems to gloss over the fact that the gtr slaughtered the z28 in the 0 to 60 and quarter mile...not to mention they are comparing an all out track focused car to a regular street version gtr when they should be putting it against the nismo gtr which will also be an all out track focused car including the tires

GM also has a much larger ad budget than Nissan or Porsche, so there's no surprise that their new car won.

for F*cks sake, $75K for a camaro, please stop trying to fill my *** with BS it has enough gas already!

i feel like the drivers in the GTR and Porsche were told to not push the pedal all the way down lol

:shakes head:

This is what gets me. Sure, the Camaro is faster, but what you rather have? A GTR/Porsche, or a $75k version of what the high school kid next door drives?

The Z/28 is going to most likely be sold to someone who already owns several really nice cars. It's not a $75k street Camaro. It's a $75k barely street legal track toy. The guy who wants a bad Camaro for street use buys a ZL1.

Not my style, but good to see these large domestic boats holding their own.

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now we're here:
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Surprised the GT-R did not have luck nut issues like another site when they compared the cars.....:stirthepot:

Probably cause the other site got a better lap time in the gtr and were like "oh crap we got a faster lap time in the gtr, hurry and sabotage it so we can get paid by gm" lol

Yeah, the other one never posted any lap times, just how the cars felt and how amazing the Z/28 was.
I will admit, the GT-R is getting old, even with the updates and advances it is still basically the same car from 2008/9 just with more power and a little more refinement. A refresh will awaken it again and put it back at the top.

Next one due out next year is getting 800 horses...and a face lift.

but a $75k Camaro with no A/C or sound system. You better have a second sports car for you to drive around in town during summer cuz this one will get you from point A to point B sweaty as hell and you have to tailgate a car with window down and volume on high.:owned::owned:

I thought it's pretty much the same but a boost from hybrid electric cells tech-wise.

I read it on a few different websites this past weekend. When I have more time ill consult the oracle.

it'll be the nismo engine basically with a KERS system giving it around 200 more HP

so yes around 800 total HP

yet its all speculation thus far. real info wont be know for awhile.

I give credit where credit is due. A $75k muscle car competes with precision sports cars that cost 2-3x more. Yeah it's expensive but not really when you consider the track ready performance. American cars have the most bang for the buck. Wait til the Z06 comparisons come out and watch it take down quarter million dollar plus exotics. I am glad USA is back in the game. The GTR is awesome but I would take the Z06.

I agree, but if Envy is correct, I dont see a Vette taking on the new GTR.I have a feeling the new GTR will be the Japanese 918.

American cars are always going to be the value king. I never understood the price comparison that x-car took out y-car and x-car is $xxxxxx less. Case in point, the owners of those $250k+ exotics could buy multiple corvettes if they wanted. But they didn't. Why? Probably because it was a Corvette....

...and I should add that I'm not trying to downplay the performance aspect of a domestic. It's good to see them finally take the sports car world seriously.

I like a car based on the looks and performance, not on the brand.

Exactly why price comparisons don't make sense....because it's all subjective!

But it's pretty awesome when the underdog, aka the cheapest car, wins. I'm just happy all the American car haters have nothing but excuses.

So...why not put the Z/28 up against the Corvette Stingray? And the Dodge Viper? Seems that's right where this comparison should go if they're going the GTR and 911 Turbo S route. Even up the tires and put ceramics on the GT-R, and I think you'd see the Z/28 slip back into its rightful place of third.

But like someone said, only track guys will be looking this direction. Everyone else that wants more than they need will go ZL1. More hp, less $ and get back to mouth-breathing.

Its coming in 2016 as a 2017 model.. there is one more year of the R35

As folks here have said, this is a track car version of the Camaro. You pay more for the others, but you also get longer lasting tires, more driveability, AC, a better stereo, etc.

I think the Z28 is impressive as hell, but let's be real, it's a track toy. More practical than an Ariel Atom, but not as liveable as a GTR or 911.

I mean, I do believe the price for performance argument is a valid one, but this isn't a completely apples-to-apples comparison. The GT2/GT3 Porsches are the stripped down track versions of the 911.

But hey, I drive a RWD chevy with an LS7 engine, so I'm biased :icon17:

Likewise unfair comparisons like this give American car lovers false sense of superiority

Maybe they gave points for "car that looks best with your mullet." I've always though a mullet and Camaro go together like guns-n-beer

I read this article today both at the newsstand and on my email from MT. It is boggling how they came up with it despite the numbers. Goes back to what is fresh and the value regardless of performance. Purist will defy and go with driving experience. Big deal if they put an LS motor on a cheap Merincan body. Tranny will sh!t out under 75k.I've had my fair share of American cars. They all stunk in the long run. As much as I'd like to put my money on US soil, I've yet to have a great long term experience. Still rooting fo Go 'merica someday but not on this one. MT is like any other publication is only informative, always biased, and never the ultimate authority.

I've only owned American cars expect the Z and have never had a problem with them. I think the whole idea that a lot of people have in their minds about American cars isn't true anymore. They are just as competive as any other car nowadays. Look at the CTS-V for example.

i for one don't hate american cars, i just tire of the good ol' boys saying every hateful thing under the sun whether the import wins or the domestic wins "such and such" comparisons cause in the end that is not what a true automotive enthusiast is and most domestic fan boys can't seem to accept the fact that the japanese do, in fact, produce performance cars that rival or even beat american cars. i'm not going to make excuses either, the camaro won the hot lap and i commend GM for taking the time to actually make the Camaro what it should have been all along and doing a bang up job of it, but the fact remains that the Z/28 is an all out track focused car and if you're really going to do an apples to apples comparison i think it would only be fair to compare it to the track focused versions of the cars they are comparing it to a.k.a. the nismo gt-r and the porsche gt3

I'll be honest though. I wondered if an LS7 will fit the Z.

In addition, I must balance things out and say that this Z28 breaks the old notion that Merican cars only do well in straight line. I'll give GM that.

Who should really be mad about this is the 911 turbo! it's new! at least this GTR is on it's way out the door. And Nissan should trash that so call "Track Edition" GTR.

This reminds me of the Boss 302 and how they said that was faster. then it ran on other tracks and got trashed. I call for a Rematch!

GTR beat ZR1 in more than 23 tracks. And i know this Z/28 isnt faster the the ZR1 or a Zo6 with the added The Z06 and the Z07 Performance Package Talk about bad review.

Man that Z28 is bad a$$ ! Served GTR and 911 turbo their walking papers at price of a cayman! Wicked car. Thanks to Chevy for getting it right! A true drivers car. Can't wait to see the new Z06!