Motortrend: Z/28 vs 911 Turbo S vs GTR

Chuck33079 · 04-01-2014, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

The issue I have with it is the ONLY place it works at all is on a race track, no way that thing is pulling double duty. Again, for the money, for a COMPLETELY dedicated track toy, kudos GM.

GM never intended it to be anything but a dedicated toy car. The magazine caused all the drama. It's a little deceptive testing it against street cars on street tires. They tested a ratcheting screwdriver against the little philips that comes on a swiss army knife and were surprised when it did a better job as a screwdriver. But that's all it does. If we were testing the ZL1 vs that field, it would be a distant third.

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

Speak for yourself NOOB, I got a 1:25.4 in my Z on the Top Gear Test track on PS3!!!

I stand corrected.

Firebase99 · 04-01-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

GM never intended it to be anything but a dedicated toy car. The magazine caused all the drama. It's a little deceptive testing it against street cars on street tires. They tested a ratcheting screwdriver against the little philips that comes on a swiss army knife and were surprised when it did a better job as a screwdriver. But that's all it does. If we were testing the ZL1 vs that field, it would be a distant third.

I stand corrected.

We both said exactly the same thing in a very similar fashion, with that being said im glad it was stated, and stated as such in such a similar manner. There, that should do it.

Sh0velMan · 04-01-2014, 02:34 PM

All of those replies are correct and valid.

It's purpose built, so you get the track performance for half the price with none of the creature comforts.

Chuck33079 · 04-01-2014, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

We both said exactly the same thing in a very similar fashion, with that being said im glad it was stated, and stated as such in such a similar manner. There, that should do it.

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

Sh0velMan · 04-01-2014, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

Ding ding ding ding ding

Give the man a cigar.

Firebase99 · 04-01-2014, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

The other thing everybody is missing is that it's probably a hell of a lot cheaper to maintain as a track slut than a $100-150k AWD dual clutch twin turbo techfest. It's a LS7 and big sticky tires.

VERY good point however, Im having a hard time understanding how much money you really need to own a Turbo S comfortably. What kind of income? Im thinking minimum NET income $1 million? I dunno...whatever but thats a nice #. If I made that, would I track my S? I dont think I would. Maybe once. If I made $2 million, would i track it? Probably not, I want a dedicated Track Toy-GT3 type. So say I make $250K+, I could see myself getting a Z28 actually.

Chuck33079 · 04-01-2014, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

VERY good point however, Im having a hard time understanding how much money you really need to own a Turbo S comfortably. What kind of income? Im thinking minimum NET income $1 million? I dunno...whatever but thats a nice #. If I made that, would I track my S? I dont think I would. Maybe once. If I made $2 million, would i track it? Probably not, I want a dedicated Track Toy-GT3 type. So say I make $250K+, I could see myself getting a Z28 actually.

Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

Sh0velMan · 04-01-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

I wish I'd gotten a cheaper car to do this to, sometimes.

Can't help but think about how expensive it is every time i go fast.

Firebase99 · 04-01-2014, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

Another good point. Those numbers work for owning the S as a street car. As a track toy, you need to be able to walk away from a total loss without getting your feelings hurt. That's a much higher number than what it would take to just own it and drive it.

A guy who makes $1mm/year is hurting if he balls up a $180k car. That was 20-25% of his pre-tax income that year. That same guy is a lot better off walking away from a wadded up $75k car.

That's why my track car is worth $5k, tops. That's about what I'm willing to wreck and walk away from.

Wise man indeed....

Firebase99 · 04-01-2014, 02:54 PM

Anyone track a Leaf yet? lol. Some sticky tires, suspension mods, coilovers, springs, you just got yourself an inexpensive (maintenance wise) track BEAST, probably take an 86 to school too. lol.

Chuck33079 · 04-01-2014, 02:56 PM

The other catch is the fact that most insurance companies aren't going to pay if you wad up your car on the track. That would be the worst of all bad days if you killed a Turbo S out there.

Chuck33079 · 04-01-2014, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

Anyone track a Leaf yet? lol. Some sticky tires, suspension mods, coilovers, springs, you just got yourself an inexpensive (maintenance wise) track BEAST, probably take an 86 to school too. lol.

How many laps could you get off the battery?

Firebase99 · 04-01-2014, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079

How many laps could you get off the battery?

Depends on the course, 2 miles course...maybe 20 laps? Were on to something!!! Im going to Nissan with this. Wish me luck!!

Sh0velMan · 04-01-2014, 03:10 PM

I try and always get an agreed value track insurance policy when I go to an actual track.

Definitely increases the cost of a track day, but the peace of mind is worth it.

Solomatrix · 04-01-2014, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Firebase99

Anyone track a Leaf yet? lol. Some sticky tires, suspension mods, coilovers, springs, you just got yourself an inexpensive (maintenance wise) track BEAST, probably take an 86 to school too. lol.

hope nobody tries tracking a tesla
inb4carburnsup

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Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 20	All of those replies are correct and valid. It's purpose built, so you get the track performance for half the price with none of the creature comforts. __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

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Chuck33079 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Houston Posts: 12,265 Drives: 2011 370ztt Rep Power: 29539	The other catch is the fact that most insurance companies aren't going to pay if you wad up your car on the track. That would be the worst of all bad days if you killed a Turbo S out there. __________________ 2011 MB Touring-Sport-6sp-Nav/GTM TT/FI TT TDX/JTran/Kosmic/Eibach/Hotchkis/SPC/CSF/RPS/SoThatsWhereAllMyMoneyWent

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Sh0velMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Dallas/Ft.Worth Posts: 3,349 Drives: Noisily. Rep Power: 20	I try and always get an agreed value track insurance policy when I go to an actual track. Definitely increases the cost of a track day, but the peace of mind is worth it. FL 4Motion and Chuck33079 like this. __________________ Buy My Car! \| Build Thread

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