Motortrend: Z/28 vs 911 Turbo S vs GTR

Z_ealot · 03-31-2014, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

You are wrong, the COST is the driving factor here....the Z28 while being a pricey Camaro....costs I'm guessing 70K LESS than a Nismo GTR and 100K LESS than a GT3. The point is that a Z28 has about the SAME PRICE as a base 911 and about 30K cheaper than a GTR. And for THAT money it beats them both. Lets see the new C7 Z06 go against the GTR Nismo and GT3. Some of you guys are worse than the Audi or BMW dicks that hate on the Z. DRive a car yourself before you hate on it. Then again most dealers are not going to let the main demographic of the Z test drive a Z28 or Z06. I have a CTS-V, I can't fit in a C7..but I fit in the Z28. Would they let me test drive one? Who knows.

wasnt hating on it myself, just pointing out that the Z/28 is in fact an almost fully track prepped car...i mean it has no AC, carbon ceramic rotors, and almost racing slick tires and you want to tell me it's not fair to compare it to almost fully track prepped versions of the other 2 rather than the ones they chose which have AC, dont have carbon ceramic brakes and are running on regular summer tires?

Sh0velMan · 03-31-2014, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

wasnt hating on it myself, just pointing out that the Z/28 is in fact an almost fully track prepped car...i mean it has no AC, carbon ceramic rotors, and almost racing slick tires and you want to tell me it's not fair to compare it to almost fully track prepped versions of the other 2 rather than the ones they chose which have AC, dont have carbon ceramic brakes and are running on regular summer tires?

You're mixing metrics.

Cost is absolutely the factor we are comparing against here, not level of track-readiness.

So we're picking the 911 that is closest to the same price as the Z/28, and the Z/28 blows it away.

This is a very, very narrow window through which to compare cars, which is why it is easy to get yourself confused on what we are comparing.

Compare almost any other stat (not counting reliability, TCO or anything else that 'semi exotics' like a 911 GT3 or GT-R would have weaknesses in relative to any pony car) and the differences are a lot less positive. The Camaro's interior is abysmal, resale will suffer, etc. (In comparison to a Porsche or GT-R)

I absolutely love the Z/28 and would trade my Z for it without batting an eye. The amount of controversy this car is stirring up just goes to show what a catalyst to the track-tuner-special market the Z/28 really is. All I can say is MOAR!

Z_ealot · 03-31-2014, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

You're mixing metrics.

Cost is absolutely the factor we are comparing against here, not level of track-readiness.

So we're picking the 911 that is closest to the same price as the Z/28, and the Z/28 blows it away.

This is a very, very narrow window through which to compare cars, which is why it is easy to get yourself confused on what we are comparing.

Compare almost any other stat (not counting reliability, TCO or anything else that 'semi exotics' like a 911 GT3 or GT-R would have weaknesses in relative to any pony car) and the differences are a lot less positive. The Camaro's interior is abysmal, resale will suffer, etc. (In comparison to a Porsche or GT-R)

I absolutely love the Z/28 and would trade my Z for it without batting an eye. The amount of controversy this car is stirring up just goes to show what a catalyst to the track-tuner-special market the Z/28 really is. All I can say is MOAR!

but i still find it funny that everyone on here saying the Z/28 slaughtered the GT-R just glosses over the fact that the GT-R absolutely destroyed the Z/28 in the 0-60 and 1/4 mile department, but good job in the handling department as far as the Z/28 is concerned

Chuck33079 · 03-31-2014, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS

Suspension/Chassis setup is far away from just shocks.. Im just saying...

That MRC system is light years beyond just shocks. I know it's GM, but let's give credit where it's due.

xxAGAVExx · 03-31-2014, 10:09 AM

My next sports car will most likely be a step up from the z, I'm strongly considering a GTR, but it'll be 3-4 years till I do that so who knows what I'll get. I want the most bang for my buc, performance would be about 80% and looks 20% (within my budget). The article seems a little suspect the way it was written, like they gave the z/28 an extra chance with changing the tire pressure, like they had an agenda, but if more reviews come out confirming how good the z/28 is I would certainly consider it, no matter how many similar looking models u can find at enterprise/hertz.

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b15 · 03-31-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

You are wrong, the COST is the driving factor here....the Z28 while being a pricey Camaro....costs I'm guessing 70K LESS than a Nismo GTR and 100K LESS than a GT3. The point is that a Z28 has about the SAME PRICE as a base 911 and about 30K cheaper than a GTR. And for THAT money it beats them both. Lets see the new C7 Z06 go against the GTR Nismo and GT3. Some of you guys are worse than the Audi or BMW dicks that hate on the Z. DRive a car yourself before you hate on it. Then again most dealers are not going to let the main demographic of the Z test drive a Z28 or Z06. I have a CTS-V, I can't fit in a C7..but I fit in the Z28. Would they let me test drive one? Who knows.

Yep absolutely! You totally missed my point but thank you for this well thought and informative post.

This article isn't about cost its about performance and what they had available. If it was about cost they wouldnt be using a turbo S let alone a GT3. If you want to compare performance then do so regardless of price.

Do you seriously think someone who owns a $200k Porsche would bat an eye at a $75k Camaro? Even if it out performs it? This cost argument is only applicable if you're looking at raw performance and nothing else. Very few people do that. Yeah its the same arguement BMW owners have said towards the Z and so on and so forth. That's the beauty of opinions and freedom to buy what we want

Chuck33079 · 03-31-2014, 10:27 AM

When we're dealing with a stripped track car with no ac or creature comforts, performance and price are pretty much at the top of the list.

b15 · 03-31-2014, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

You're mixing metrics.

Cost is absolutely the factor we are comparing against here, not level of track-readiness.

So we're picking the 911 that is closest to the same price as the Z/28, and the Z/28 blows it away.

This is a very, very narrow window through which to compare cars, which is why it is easy to get yourself confused on what we are comparing.

Compare almost any other stat (not counting reliability, TCO or anything else that 'semi exotics' like a 911 GT3 or GT-R would have weaknesses in relative to any pony car) and the differences are a lot less positive. The Camaro's interior is abysmal, resale will suffer, etc. (In comparison to a Porsche or GT-R)

I absolutely love the Z/28 and would trade my Z for it without batting an eye. The amount of controversy this car is stirring up just goes to show what a catalyst to the track-tuner-special market the Z/28 really is. All I can say is MOAR!

Im sorry perhaps my comprehension of numbers is bad....but since when is a $181,000 Turbo S close to a $75k Z/28.

Sh0velMan · 03-31-2014, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

Yep absolutely! You totally missed my point but thank you for this well thought and informative post.

This article isn't about cost its about performance and what they had available. If it was about cost they wouldnt be using a turbo S let alone a GT3. If you want to compare performance then do so regardless of price.

Do you seriously think someone who owns a $200k Porsche would bat an eye at a $75k Camaro? Even if it out performs it? This cost argument is only applicable if you're looking at raw performance and nothing else. Very few people do that. Yeah its the same arguement BMW owners have said towards the Z and so on and so forth. That's the beauty of opinions and freedom to buy what we want

This is an invalid argument for the discussion at hand.

This isn't about egos, it's about a 70k car being as fast as a 120-140k car around a track.

Also, what BMW driver wastes time talking about Zs? I've never experienced this...because there's very little model overlap for discussion to even be had, unless you're just looking to start a fight, which may be the case I guess? Exception would be around track people, where the discussion pretty much always goes:

BMW = E92 M3 - BMW Wins
BMW = E36 M3 - Depends on modifications
BMW = Anything else - Z Wins

Most non-zealot BMW drivers will agree with this, if presented with the basic specs and stats. (Exceptions being 335 drivers who have turned up the boost to make their car uber fast in the straight line and worthless otherwise. I tend to just ignore them.)

Sh0velMan · 03-31-2014, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

Im sorry perhaps my comprehension of numbers is bad....but since when is a $181,000 Turbo S close to a $75k Z/28.

Looks pretty close here:

Jokes aside, I was referring to a previous post where someone mentioned a 911 Carrera, which the Z/28 destroys in every performance metric while costing less. I didn't acknowledge that the article in the OP is actually comparing vs a Turbo S, which the Z/28 still manages to best on the track, even if the Turbo S is faster in every 'synthetic' test.

Sorry for the confusion.

b15 · 03-31-2014, 10:39 AM

It is a valid arguement. You cant pick and chose performance and price to benefit a certain car. Demographics certainly play a factor in pricing. This article however ignores both those. We have cars from all levels of price and track readiness. I'm failing to see how people justify this as a legitiment comparison. I'm not ******** on the Camaro....more ******** on MTs lackluster comparison

Regarding BMW...I don't know. The original post made that reference.

Sh0velMan · 03-31-2014, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

It is a valid arguement. You cant pick and chose performance and price to benefit a certain car. Demographics certainly play a factor in pricing. This article however ignores both those. We have cars from all levels of price and track readiness. I'm failing to see how people justify this as a legitiment comparison. I'm not ******** on the Camaro....more ******** on MTs lackluster comparison

Regarding BMW...I don't know. The original post made that reference.

That's fair. It's a silly comparison, I'll definitely agree on that, you wouldn't cross-shop a Z/28 with a Turbo S.

b15 · 03-31-2014, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

Looks pretty close here:

Jokes aside, I was referring to a previous post where someone mentioned a 911 Carrera, which the Z/28 destroys in every performance metric while costing less. I didn't acknowledge that the article in the OP is actually comparing vs a Turbo S, which the Z/28 still manages to best on the track, even if the Turbo S is faster in every 'synthetic' test.

Sorry for the confusion.

I agree the z28 offers great performance for the price. I would like to see a more equal review with these cars...price aside.

Sh0velMan · 03-31-2014, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

I agree the z28 offers great performance for the price. I would like to see a more equal review with these cars...price aside.

A comparison vs a GT3 and the (hopefully) forthcoming GT350 (assuming it is track-oriented as rumors suggest) would be interesting.

It isn't fair not to mention price though, a GT3 is supercar money, it just happens to be one of the only other players in the 'track special' segment at present.

b15 · 03-31-2014, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sh0velMan

A comparison vs a GT3 and the (hopefully) forthcoming GT350 (assuming it is track-oriented as rumors suggest) would be interesting.

It isn't fair not to mention price though, a GT3 is supercar money, it just happens to be one of the only other players in the 'track special' segment at present.

Yeah. It'd make for a fun comparison though. There's really nothing in the Z28s market except for maybe the Corvette. So props to GM on that

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b15 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Chicago Posts: 3,229 Drives: 4drz Rep Power: 36571	It is a valid arguement. You cant pick and chose performance and price to benefit a certain car. Demographics certainly play a factor in pricing. This article however ignores both those. We have cars from all levels of price and track readiness. I'm failing to see how people justify this as a legitiment comparison. I'm not ****** on the Camaro....more ****** on MTs lackluster comparison Regarding BMW...I don't know. The original post made that reference. shadoquad likes this.

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