Motortrend: Z/28 vs 911 Turbo S vs GTR

shadoquad · 03-30-2014, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

Agreed. But I the original comparison post was referring to perception. An $80k Carrera still has the Porsche panache.

That is a fair point.

FL 4Motion · 03-30-2014, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

That is a fair point.

if you care about what other people think about what you drive, which is a terrible way to live your life imo.

Z/28 is an incredible car for a great price considering the performance. I'd own one in a heartbeat if I was car shopping.

H2O_Doc · 03-30-2014, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

if you care about what other people think about what you drive, which is a terrible way to live your life imo.

Z/28 is an incredible car for a great price considering the performance. I'd own one in a heartbeat if I was car shopping.

Eh, everyone cares to some extent. We are social animals.

ImportConvert · 03-31-2014, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by TaylorRyan370

Chevrolet Camaro Z/28 vs. Porsche 911 Turbo S vs. Nissan GT-R Comparison - Motor Trend

Domestics beating Imports at their own game... for a fraction of the cost at that

I've said it time and time again. Nissan doesn't have any clue how to set up a suspension, and there is a reason GM sells their suspension tech to ferrari. GM took long enough, but they know how to make a vehicle handle. Pobst did his best in all 3 cars I'm sure, and knows how to flog an awd chassis. It is what it is folks.

b15 · 03-31-2014, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

I've said it time and time again. Nissan doesn't have any clue how to set up a suspension, and there is a reason GM sells their suspension tech to ferrari. GM took long enough, but they know how to make a vehicle handle. Pobst did his best in all 3 cars I'm sure, and knows how to flog an awd chassis. It is what it is folks.

If Nissan didn't have a clue how to set up a suspension, why did it take GM a fully tracked prepped vehicle with no creature comforts to take down a non track model GTR and 911 with all the goodies. Let's not forget the GTR hasnt had any substantial updates since 2009 yet is still the benchmark in a lot of ways. Yeah...chasing down a 5yr old chassis is good tech. Also the GTR and Camaro are by no means light weight...but Nissan figured a way to make to GTR fast in turns back in 2009. How good was a Camaro taking the corners then with GMs great suspension set up? To make this a valid challenge it should be rerun with a Nismo GTR and GT3 and let's see how wonderful GM is.

G37Sam · 03-31-2014, 06:34 AM

Nissan doesn't know how to set up a suspension?? That's a first.

ImportConvert · 03-31-2014, 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by b15

If Nissan didn't have a clue how to set up a suspension, why did it take GM a fully tracked prepped vehicle with no creature comforts to take down a non track model GTR and 911 with all the goodies. Let's not forget the GTR hasnt had any substantial updates since 2009 yet is still the benchmark in a lot of ways. Yeah...chasing down a 5yr old chassis is good tech. Also the GTR and Camaro are by no means light weight...but Nissan figured a way to make to GTR fast in turns back in 2009. How good was a Camaro taking the corners then with GMs great suspension set up? To make this a valid challenge it should be rerun with a Nismo GTR and GT3 and let's see how wonderful GM is.

...it's their entry level chassis (with tweaking obviously). It was 2 wheel drive. The comparison is a joke. Compare vehicles of equal value...let's put even last year's c6z with mrc in the equation.

I stand by my assessment. My nissan factory sport suspension was junk. That is personal experience on the 370. Then this camaro trumps the gtr. Joke comparison (look at msrps...)...but still. I'll never respect nissan for their suspension. Other things, yes.

ImportConvert · 03-31-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

Nissan doesn't know how to set up a suspension?? That's a first.

Not really. Look at their gtr when they ran the ring time and time and time again tweaking it. GM rolled a car off the showroom floor, added safety and cameras, and did the damn thing. Boom.

Z_ealot · 03-31-2014, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by G37Sam

Nissan doesn't know how to set up a suspension?? That's a first.

i guess that means our cars just magically keep themselves from dragging along the ground lol

DCNISMO · 03-31-2014, 09:35 AM

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To make this a valid challenge it should be rerun with a Nismo GTR and GT3 and let's see how wonderful GM is.

You are wrong, the COST is the driving factor here....the Z28 while being a pricey Camaro....costs I'm guessing 70K LESS than a Nismo GTR and 100K LESS than a GT3. The point is that a Z28 has about the SAME PRICE as a base 911 and about 30K cheaper than a GTR. And for THAT money it beats them both. Lets see the new C7 Z06 go against the GTR Nismo and GT3. Some of you guys are worse than the Audi or BMW dicks that hate on the Z. DRive a car yourself before you hate on it. Then again most dealers are not going to let the main demographic of the Z test drive a Z28 or Z06. I have a CTS-V, I can't fit in a C7..but I fit in the Z28. Would they let me test drive one? Who knows.

Z_ealot · 03-31-2014, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Not really. Look at their gtr when they ran the ring time and time and time again tweaking it. GM rolled a car off the showroom floor, added safety and cameras, and did the damn thing. Boom.

and you have proof that GM didnt do track sessions to fine tune the suspension where?

G37sHKS · 03-31-2014, 09:38 AM

GM sells their suspension techniques to Ferrari?

Chuck33079 · 03-31-2014, 09:39 AM

2008- "Woah, that GTR is as fast around the track as a 911 Turbo for half the cost? Awesome!"
2014- "Woah, that track special Camaro is faster around the track than a 911 Turbo for half the cost? What a huge overpriced piece of ****!"

If the Z/28 were based on any vehicle but a domestic pony car, the majority of negative comments here wouldn't have been posted. Why can't people accept that there are cool cars out there from pretty much every manufacturer and leave the fanboy BS at the door?

Chuck33079 · 03-31-2014, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by G37sHKS

GM sells their suspension techniques to Ferrari?

They did. GM came up with the magnetorheological shocks first and licensed them to Ferrari.

G37sHKS · 03-31-2014, 09:44 AM

Suspension/Chassis setup is far away from just shocks.. Im just saying...

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