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PapoZalsa 09-15-2013 06:51 PM

Report: Honda Mulls Bold Answer to Scion FR-S
 
Honda’s plan, according to GTChannel’s sources, is to take the happy associations headed the FR-S’s way and channel them into its own little ride, in this case a convertible similar to the celebrated Honda S2000. However, this rear-wheel sports car would be lighter and, at $20,000, much more affordable. The S2000, like the Scion FR-S, had a base model weight around 2,800 pounds; the theoretical new Honda sports car would weigh only 2,000 pounds. Taking this figure into account, the horsepower quote sounds impressive.


Report: Honda Mulls Bold Answer to Scion FR-S | Wall St. Cheat Sheet

Z-Girl 12 09-15-2013 07:10 PM

Idiots should have never walked away from the game...they could have still been holding it down. But hope they can come back strong. Thanks for sharing the info...still a diehard Honda lover.

DEpointfive0 09-15-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Z-Girl 12 (Post 2488983)
Idiots should have never walked away from the game...they could have still been holding it down. But hope they can come back strong. Thanks for sharing the info...still a diehard Honda lover.

They were asking too much for a jumped up Miata...
$35k for a base S2000 in 2009 with 239hp, 163ft/lbs of tq
2755lbs, with a near 50:50 weight distribution


Toyota is asking $25-26k for a base Scion with 200hp, 151ft/lbs of tq, almost the exact same weight and the same 50:50 weight distribution, and that's 3-4 years later of inflation...


Something doesn't add up to me in Honda's world.




And normally I'm bisaed because I love Toyota, but damn I hate the FRS...

eastwest2300 09-15-2013 08:28 PM

I have the s2000 as my DD, and I love it, im looking forward to seeing this new sports coupe.

DEpointfive0 09-15-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by eastwest2300 (Post 2489042)
I have the s2000 as my DD, and I love it, im looking forward to seeing this new sports coupe.

Please don't send people to my house... PLEASE... You know where I live!!! :wtf2: ;-(

Caustic 09-15-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2489034)
They were asking too much for a jumped up Miata...
$35k for a base S2000 in 2009 with 239hp, 163ft/lbs of tq
2755lbs, with a near 50:50 weight distribution


Toyota is asking $25-26k for a base Scion with 200hp, 151ft/lbs of tq, almost the exact same weight and the same 50:50 weight distribution, and that's 3-4 years later of inflation...


Something doesn't add up to me in Honda's world.




And normally I'm bisaed because I love Toyota, but damn I hate the FRS...

First off it was a convertible, so right off the bat there will be more cost. The interior blows away the FRS interior, even now. The handling is better than the FRS, even now. 240 vs 200 = 20% more hp than the FRS. The engine revved to 9000rpm. Honda has a lot of justification charging what it did for the S2000.

6MT 09-15-2013 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2489034)
They were asking too much for a jumped up Miata...
$35k for a base S2000 in 2009 with 239hp, 163ft/lbs of tq
2755lbs, with a near 50:50 weight distribution


Toyota is asking $25-26k for a base Scion with 200hp, 151ft/lbs of tq, almost the exact same weight and the same 50:50 weight distribution, and that's 3-4 years later of inflation...


Something doesn't add up to me in Honda's world.




And normally I'm bisaed because I love Toyota, but damn I hate the FRS...

It's all about money. Honda makes way too much money appealing to the masses. Sports cars don't make money.

PapoZalsa 09-15-2013 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2489034)
And normally I'm bisaed because I love Toyota, but damn I hate the FRS...

It should be named Toyota Corolla since in Japan is an AE86 and they want to bring back the success and retro look of the chassis model in 84 to 86 (SR-5 & GTS). Just to named it Scion is a big let down and Blasphemy for the fans of the AE86.

I'm also a Toyota Fan and my first new car was a 1986 Toyota Corolla SR-5 because the GTS was very limited in my country.

kenchan 09-15-2013 09:47 PM

Where the yen was and how the economy was the last 5yrs, I don't think Honda taking a break from this segment was a bad business decision.

Hope they bring back something real exciting... not like that crz crap. :ugh:

JungleZ 09-15-2013 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DEpointfive0 (Post 2489034)
They were asking too much for a jumped up Miata...
$35k for a base S2000 in 2009 with 239hp, 163ft/lbs of tq
2755lbs, with a near 50:50 weight distribution


Toyota is asking $25-26k for a base Scion with 200hp, 151ft/lbs of tq, almost the exact same weight and the same 50:50 weight distribution, and that's 3-4 years later of inflation...


Something doesn't add up to me in Honda's world.




And normally I'm bisaed because I love Toyota, but damn I hate the FRS...

Something doesn't add up in the Nissan world considering that the integra, prelude,s2000 were more special than anything Nissan had in the price range and that's sad because those cars had barely any torque...

Also s2000 markup was like 31k at the most and dropped to a very great price. Also as a track car or project car it's been great. Some of those supra and ls swaps were nuts.

UNKNOWN_370 09-16-2013 05:53 AM

Scion and Subaru aren't really doing much with these cars except making overpriced body kits and lame parts. Scion sales still down in spite of. The twins do nothing for me, honestly. If honda can bring true affordable fun back I the $20k range? That would change the sports car game aagain...

Honda should ha e never strayed from performance from jump.

takjak2 09-16-2013 03:25 PM

If they want to be at 2000 lbs for only $20,000 they either have a magic (cheap) new technique for fiber/composite, or they need to take a competitive approach to the safety and emissions rules. Find some loopholes or start cheating.

1st 09-16-2013 04:16 PM

The only 2 sport coupes that come to mind are the Honda Beat or the Crz roadster.

But I have a feeling their talking about the S1500. Seen here: SCOOP: HONDA WORKING ON RWD COMPACT SPORTS CAR | GT Channel
Seems pretty weak to me 132hp lol! They should have put in a K series Si motor.

Red__Zed 09-16-2013 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Caustic (Post 2489063)
First off it was a convertible, so right off the bat there will be more cost. The interior blows away the FRS interior, even now. The handling is better than the FRS, even now. 240 vs 200 = 20% more hp than the FRS. The engine revved to 9000rpm. Honda has a lot of justification charging what it did for the S2000.

Agreed. Redline was down to 8k from 04 on though.

The s2000 was marketed to a much more upscale crowd of driving enthusiasts compared to the FRS

Z_ealot 09-16-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by 1st (Post 2490202)
The only 2 sport coupes that come to mind are the Honda Beat or the Crz roadster.

But I have a feeling their talking about the S1500. Seen here: SCOOP: HONDA WORKING ON RWD COMPACT SPORTS CAR | GT Channel
Seems pretty weak to me 132hp lol! They should have put in a K series Si motor.

not really weak when you consider they can do 8 second 0-60 in the fit when equipped with a manual and seeing as the fit is around 2500lb and has only 117hp i could see 132hp in a car weighing only 2000lb breaking into the high 5's low 6's with the right gearing a very possible scenario which would actually make it pretty quick and right up there with the 0-60 time on the FR-S/BRZ


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