Nissan to offer autonomous vehicles

m3chhawk · 08-28-2013, 02:29 PM

I have a white paper with the final results of the study, but I don't know if you will be able to get to it without the proper resources.

Here is a public article that has some outdated information from about halfway through the study. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/10/sc...pagewanted=all

I'll see if I can find something on the rest...

m3chhawk · 08-28-2013, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by ElVee

There are problems with autonomous vehicles. I envision it a bit like a rail system, except our seats can break off to turn while the majority of the group continues on. Then my seat goes where I want.

In the US, we have a ridiculously litigious culture. We like yearn to blame someone/something else for any slight problem. This system won't be perfect, and as such makers of such vehicles are going to feed many a lawyer for life... Heaven forbid someone dies due to an accident or is late getting to a hospital. Or we have arguments about manual mode being engaged or not...

Road work/maintenance is going to have an additional challenge of needing to update car software/mapping. We start relying on software/connectivity/satellites for movement rather than our eyes, hands, and a mechanical vehicle under our control, and we're going to have annoying problems.

I suppose car headlights will sense green/red lights. I see money in selling green flashlights in the future. Or red ones, for that matter.

There are more, but I just think it's not a great idea without actual in place systems.

But no, really, I look forward to Google-powered cars that move on their own and deliver to me ads in my car based on where I am and the things in my vicinity. Kinda like a tour guide "driven" by ad sales.

While there are definitely hurdles, it's not all that different than any other automotive technology. Drive by wire seemed ridiculous at one point too.

There was an entire discussion devoted to autonomous vehicles and hacking the vehicle networks at Black Hat this year.

Uber is looking to buy a few and it's an application where it makes perfect sense.
Dispatch From The Future: Uber To Purchase 2,500 Driverless Cars From Google | TechCrunch

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 04:18 PM

Oh, yeah, I wasn't even going to get into the security aspects of it, which will be both interesting but also overhyped as well ( I need some CPEs anyway, so need to look these talks up). Kinda like in recent years with aviation systems and lack of firewall separation between in-plane guests and control systems. A facepalm moment, sure, but who the hell would attack that?

At least cars are more accessible and eventually more widespread.

Thanks for the info, though!

shadoquad · 08-29-2013, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk

I'm assuming by your comments and general attitude that you are a late adopter of most technologies.

The software won't be released untested. Google has had fully autonomous vehicles on the road for awhile now. Nissan is the first OEM to release a statement and they are targeting 2020. That's a substantial amount of time for testing.

I'm confused as to how you consider crash avoidance systems a gimmick? To be honest, the algorithm is pretty simple and tens of thousands people die in automotive accidents every year in the United States alone.

Out of curiosity, how would YOU make vehicles safer moving forward?

How do I consider safety systems a gimmick?

Lux vehicles have had a ton of them. Rotating headlamps, automatic parking, rearview cams, lane departure warning, the alarms detecting your head dipping for sleep, hell even the seatbelt off chimes. It all starts in mercs and lexii, because it costs more, and not all of those techs pass through to the common man, only ones that wind up making a difference for low cost. And some concepts are neat in theory but ineffective in practice.

Your personal assumptions and challenge aside, I know the software will be tested. All software is tested. But most of it has unpredicted bugs and flaws that manifest in unforeseen use cases.

I am not interested in making cars better. I think we should make drivers better. The American driving tests and penalties for dui aren't strong enough. And most drivers are lazily relying on safety mechanisms and aren't involved enough in the act of driving. These are my opinions, you are entitled to yours.

Nailzs · 08-31-2013, 06:03 PM

Has anyone seen an insurance company ready to insure anautonomous vehicles?

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ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 16	Oh, yeah, I wasn't even going to get into the security aspects of it, which will be both interesting but also overhyped as well ( I need some CPEs anyway, so need to look these talks up). Kinda like in recent years with aviation systems and lack of firewall separation between in-plane guests and control systems. A facepalm moment, sure, but who the hell would attack that? At least cars are more accessible and eventually more widespread. Thanks for the info, though!