Nissan to offer autonomous vehicles

Arrvaxx · 08-27-2013, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Yeah, I'm not looking forward to autonomous cars at all.

Rather have humans at the wheel.

I don't agree. Anything that gets grandma and soccer mom out of the left lane is ok by me!

Besides, planes take off and land by themselves every day.

Haboob · 08-27-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrvaxx

I don't agree. Anything that gets grandma and soccer mom out of the left lane is ok by me!

Besides, planes take off and land by themselves every day.

Are you sure, I thought that's when autopilot was removed; for take-off and landing?

Arrvaxx · 08-27-2013, 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TreeSemdyZee

We would lose the joy of cursing at some jack wad, dingleberry crapdriver because we would be "1884d" into complete subservience. This is more of the stupid "safety" mentality that somehow thinks we can escape death.
Dear Big Brother. Suck it!

Yeah but just think about it this way...you'll have both hands hand free for firearms! I hate road raging when I have to drive with my knees!

Arrvaxx · 08-27-2013, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob

Are you sure, I thought that's when autopilot was removed; for take-off and landing?

Quite. They've been doing it for decades. They just don't talk a lot about it for obvious reasons.

Autoland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US Air Force just landed an unmaned and unguided (computer control) fighter on an air craft carrier.

Edit: In fact I would bet its use will become more and more widespread, outside of bad weather primarily today, since with it you 'could' fly planes closer together.

shadoquad · 08-27-2013, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk

We are a long, long, long way from even having a majority of vehicles on the road as autonomous. While it definitely doesn't have its place with the sports car crowd, there is definitely a market for it. Just like any vehicle segment. I wouldn't even consider owning a mini van, but won't downplay that they are great at what they do.

There is a market. But I'm allowed to state my opposition to it. A lot of people assume it will all be better than human drivers. My faith in software isn't as strong, and lives are at stake.

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Did anyone see the new commercial where the vehicle is constantly checking for wrecks two cars ahead? Or BMWs lights that autodim for upcoming traffic in both directions, but only dim the necessary lane?

Yes, and the mercedes that stops automatically. Safety gimmicks in luxury cars are nothing new.

shadoquad · 08-27-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrvaxx

I don't agree. Anything that gets grandma and soccer mom out of the left lane is ok by me!
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But does it? Do we know how the automaton drives? Could be just as bad.

Haboob · 08-27-2013, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Arrvaxx

Quite. They've been doing it for decades. They just don't talk a lot about it for obvious reasons.

Autoland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US Air Force just landed an unmaned and unguided (computer control) fighter on an air craft carrier.

Edit: In fact I would bet its use will become more and more widespread, outside of bad weather primarily today, since with it you 'could' fly planes closer together.

Ah, figured it was military related.

m3chhawk · 08-28-2013, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

There is a market. But I'm allowed to state my opposition to it. A lot of people assume it will all be better than human drivers. My faith in software isn't as strong, and lives are at stake.

Yes, and the mercedes that stops automatically. Safety gimmicks in luxury cars are nothing new.

I'm assuming by your comments and general attitude that you are a late adopter of most technologies.

The software won't be released untested. Google has had fully autonomous vehicles on the road for awhile now. Nissan is the first OEM to release a statement and they are targeting 2020. That's a substantial amount of time for testing.

I'm confused as to how you consider crash avoidance systems a gimmick? To be honest, the algorithm is pretty simple and tens of thousands people die in automotive accidents every year in the United States alone.

Out of curiosity, how would YOU make vehicles safer moving forward?

KERMIT · 08-28-2013, 12:26 PM

KERMIT · 08-28-2013, 12:29 PM

Autonomous cars would be the best thing for safety and speed. However the challenge is the liability. Today we can blame the driver, tomorrow we would blame the "system". Insurance companies are going to have a fit! Less revenue!

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-28-2013, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by bigaudiofanat

i can see terminator coming sooner than later. I might actually be around when that happens. I mean we already have super computers thinking and learning on their own, watson for example.

s k y n e t i s h e r e !!!

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk

Google has had fully autonomous vehicles on the road for awhile now.

This statement must mean something different to both of us. This does not mean Google has cars driving around to random places intermingled with varying levels of human traffic and other autonomous cars in a practical manner. As such, controls tests aren't enough for me.

m3chhawk · 08-28-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ElVee

This statement must mean something different to both of us. This does not mean Google has cars driving around to random places intermingled with varying levels of human traffic and other autonomous cars in a practical manner. As such, controls tests aren't enough for me.

Seven cars logged over a quarter million miles in San Francisco in 2010 and the only accident was when one of them was rear ended at a stoplight by a human driver.

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 01:20 PM

There are problems with autonomous vehicles. I envision it a bit like a rail system, except our seats can break off to turn while the majority of the group continues on. Then my seat goes where I want.

In the US, we have a ridiculously litigious culture. We like yearn to blame someone/something else for any slight problem. This system won't be perfect, and as such makers of such vehicles are going to feed many a lawyer for life... Heaven forbid someone dies due to an accident or is late getting to a hospital. Or we have arguments about manual mode being engaged or not...

Road work/maintenance is going to have an additional challenge of needing to update car software/mapping. We start relying on software/connectivity/satellites for movement rather than our eyes, hands, and a mechanical vehicle under our control, and we're going to have annoying problems.

I suppose car headlights will sense green/red lights. I see money in selling green flashlights in the future. Or red ones, for that matter.

There are more, but I just think it's not a great idea without actual in place systems.

But no, really, I look forward to Google-powered cars that move on their own and deliver to me ads in my car based on where I am and the things in my vicinity. Kinda like a tour guide "driven" by ad sales.

ElVee · 08-28-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by m3chhawk

Seven cars logged over a quarter million miles in San Francisco in 2010 and the only accident was when one of them was rear ended at a stoplight by a human driver.

Source? I'd be fine reading up on it.

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KERMIT Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Republic of Wadiya Posts: 301 Drives: Ms. Daisy Rep Power: 13	Autonomous cars would be the best thing for safety and speed. However the challenge is the liability. Today we can blame the driver, tomorrow we would blame the "system". Insurance companies are going to have a fit! Less revenue! __________________ Steering wheel with Z emblem, keyless entry, 3.7L with dual overhead cams, am/fm radio, ABS brakes, windshield, air in tires

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ElVee Track Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Iowa Posts: 750 Drives: 13 370z 7at t+s grey Rep Power: 16	There are problems with autonomous vehicles. I envision it a bit like a rail system, except our seats can break off to turn while the majority of the group continues on. Then my seat goes where I want. In the US, we have a ridiculously litigious culture. We like yearn to blame someone/something else for any slight problem. This system won't be perfect, and as such makers of such vehicles are going to feed many a lawyer for life... Heaven forbid someone dies due to an accident or is late getting to a hospital. Or we have arguments about manual mode being engaged or not... Road work/maintenance is going to have an additional challenge of needing to update car software/mapping. We start relying on software/connectivity/satellites for movement rather than our eyes, hands, and a mechanical vehicle under our control, and we're going to have annoying problems. I suppose car headlights will sense green/red lights. I see money in selling green flashlights in the future. Or red ones, for that matter. There are more, but I just think it's not a great idea without actual in place systems. But no, really, I look forward to Google-powered cars that move on their own and deliver to me ads in my car based on where I am and the things in my vicinity. Kinda like a tour guide "driven" by ad sales.