gtr went up against a real car

MC · 08-04-2009, 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

Supercars to me are Murcielagos, Enzos, SLR's, K-eggs, Carrera GTs, Zondas, McLaren F1's. Do you honestly thing the GT-R belongs in that group?

absolutely, its right there with most of them in almost everything except price. look at the ring times its faster than a carerra GT and a LP640. faster and a F430 scuderia. i mean raw #'s cant be disputed...less than 3.5 sec 0-60 low 11 1/4 miles proven lap times.. sure its not quite as exclusive as those of course but its still 85K car that sells like on average about 130 a month in the US. if it was the exact same car but costs double would it be more of a supercar in some peoples minds?

it might be semantics here but a supercar doesnt have to be an "exotic" more like whats on your list. for instance, just like a 997 TT/ GT3 are supercars a Z06/ZR1 are supercars a Viper is a Supercar. those are cars that dont have that elite mystique as the ones you listed but are as much supercars aswell right there with the GT-R. look at cars like R8's astons and maseratti's. those are very exclusive pricey and generally accepted supercars and except for special versions( like a v12 vantage or something) they arnt in the GT-Rs league performance wise

im not saying its the best car in the world as some fanboy... but im just saying i didnt know its supercar status was in question... i gotta stick up for it there...

Push370zzz · 08-05-2009, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Bushguts

not hating on the gtr but it really got its *** handed to. hahaha

Nissan GTR vs Koenigsegg CCR Evolution (unfair rac - Car Videos on StreetFire

True, but it is about the same spread with my mom's Sienna and a civic, the Sienna obviously being the Koeningsegg in this situation

RCZ · 08-05-2009, 12:43 PM

Well, I think the only thing it has in common with them is the performance. Like you said its just semantics, we only differ on what we consider supercars. When I see a 911 Turbo, I don't think supercar. Supercars to me are those that make the Turbo look like a normal car. Like a Zonda makes Turbos and V10 R8's look tame by comparison.

The GTR doesnt have the over-the-top styling, the no-compromise materials and build or the uniqueness of a supercar. It's a super quick sports car. I'm not saying its not as fast, I just don't think I can put it in the same category as a Carrera GT. It certainly doesn't help that I see GT-R's every other day now...

I think your "exotics" are my "supercars".

On EVO they call your "generally accepted supercars" Hardcore Coupes...Just like I would...it's all semantics. I don't mean to belittle your car or take away from the fact that its a damn fast car, I can't emphasize that enough.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carg...vette_zr1.html

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Originally Posted by MC@MYGTR

absolutely, its right there with most of them in almost everything except price. look at the ring times its faster than a carerra GT and a LP640. faster and a F430 scuderia. i mean raw #'s cant be disputed...less than 3.5 sec 0-60 low 11 1/4 miles proven lap times.. sure its not quite as exclusive as those of course but its still 85K car that sells like on average about 130 a month in the US. if it was the exact same car but costs double would it be more of a supercar in some peoples minds?

it might be semantics here but a supercar doesnt have to be an "exotic" more like whats on your list. for instance, just like a 997 TT/ GT3 are supercars a Z06/ZR1 are supercars a Viper is a Supercar. those are cars that dont have that elite mystique as the ones you listed but are as much supercars aswell right there with the GT-R. look at cars like R8's astons and maseratti's. those are very exclusive pricey and generally accepted supercars and except for special versions( like a v12 vantage or something) they arnt in the GT-Rs league performance wise

im not saying its the best car in the world as some fanboy... but im just saying i didnt know its supercar status was in question... i gotta stick up for it there...

edeeZee · 08-05-2009, 02:36 PM

I didn't like the GTR from the get go. The styling is way too funky. It looks like an older gen Mitsu Eclipse fused together with a angular 350. I don't care that it costs 2.5X as much as my car, or that it can smoke it on the track and drag strip. I'd rather have a non-turbo 997 for the same amount of money. The Gundam-esque styling just doesn't grow on me, neither does the nearly 2-ton weight.

The R32 and R33 were the best.

Shunya · 08-05-2009, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

The GT-R is nice, but its no supercar. Any Zonda, Enzo, Koeniggseg will be faster...its a matter of physics in the end. Lighter + more power = faster no matter how you slice it.

SnakeBitten · 08-05-2009, 04:32 PM

Supercar is a term used for any car with way above normal performance numbers-wise and not necessarily based soley on looks from what Ive observed. The GTR certainly fits that bill of the accepted automotive criteria. Now each of us may have our own view of it and thats fine. But by every accepted standard of the past and the present the GTR is indeed a supercar but not an exotic. Exclusive? Yes in the same vein as the Supra because they arent many comparatively because of mfg choice or as in the case of the Supra it didnt sell well here.

Exotic supercars are like Porsche 911 GT2, F430, Gallardo, Ford GT, Lotus Exige and to a bit lesser degree the Viper to name a few. Many consider the Viper an entry level exotic but not the ZR1. ZR1 is considered a Supercar like the GTR and Z06. Lots of room for debate on both of those subjects. Then you got Hyper Exotics like the CGT, Murcielago 670 SV, CCR, Zonda, SLR, Mclaren F1, Veyron etc. Ive seen this kind of breakdown over the years 80's-00's in the mags era specific of course.

Whos right? Nobody really as it seems nowadays everyone forms there own opinion instead of going by what the auto press says.

MC · 08-05-2009, 04:38 PM

^ yeah thats what im sayin

RCZ · 08-05-2009, 06:41 PM

Im not going to argue semantics, call your car what you will. There can't be a right and wrong answer when there is no specific definition of the word supercar.

Brazilbro · 08-05-2009, 08:18 PM

In Brazil the Z is a supercar since it does cost over 120k "dollars" to have one.
They have to be imported special order.

Cjanik · 08-05-2009, 08:19 PM

here's a "dictionary" description of the word supercar:
Supercar is a term generally used for a high-end sports car, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine", and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own. but the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term can be dependent on the era; a vehicle that may have been considered a supercar in one decade may not be considered the same in another decade. The term supercar may refer to factory-built, street-legal sports cars. Some vehicles referred to as supercars include many of the features required for race cars such as roll cages.

RCZ · 08-05-2009, 08:44 PM

When did Wikipedia become a "dictionary"? haha just playing, thanks.

KingDavid · 08-05-2009, 11:50 PM

If it runs at least 11's bone stock, it's a supercar.

/thread

Trips · 08-06-2009, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCZ

The GT-R is nice, but its no supercar. Any Zonda, Enzo, Koeniggseg will be faster...its a matter of physics in the end. Lighter + more power = faster no matter how you slice it.

Correction, Hypercar! and lots of money make a big difference.

RCZ · 08-06-2009, 12:18 PM

Guess I'm too used to seeing your "supercars" here in Miami to think they are anything special. I saw 3 R8's yesterday and a GT-R and several turbos, a 997 GT3, a few M6s, 3 F430's, a Novitech F360, several AMV8's, a DBS and a DB9, bunch of E92 M3's some M5's and an RS4.

So did I see any supercars? meh Maybe the F430s...

tbonesteak · 08-08-2009, 01:08 PM

GT-R definitely is a supercar but not an exotic by any means. It's still a mass produced inexclusive (at least here in LA) sports car that just doesn't share the manufacturing process, material grade, craftsmanship, etc with the exotics. Performance suggests that it definitely is a supercar tho. I don't care if it can beat the F430, Gallardo, etc. Like RCZ said earlier, i can make my Z go faster and it wouldn't put it in a class above them. I guess i'm in the middle here: Yes the GTR is a supercar but its performance doesn't make it more superior. I love the GTR by the way don't get me wrong; this is just my opinion on the subject matter.

08-05-2009, 04:32 PM	#21 (permalink)
SnakeBitten Base Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Midwood Posts: 232 Drives: 05 DBZ M6 Rep Power: 16	Supercar is a term used for any car with way above normal performance numbers-wise and not necessarily based soley on looks from what Ive observed. The GTR certainly fits that bill of the accepted automotive criteria. Now each of us may have our own view of it and thats fine. But by every accepted standard of the past and the present the GTR is indeed a supercar but not an exotic. Exclusive? Yes in the same vein as the Supra because they arent many comparatively because of mfg choice or as in the case of the Supra it didnt sell well here. Exotic supercars are like Porsche 911 GT2, F430, Gallardo, Ford GT, Lotus Exige and to a bit lesser degree the Viper to name a few. Many consider the Viper an entry level exotic but not the ZR1. ZR1 is considered a Supercar like the GTR and Z06. Lots of room for debate on both of those subjects. Then you got Hyper Exotics like the CGT, Murcielago 670 SV, CCR, Zonda, SLR, Mclaren F1, Veyron etc. Ive seen this kind of breakdown over the years 80's-00's in the mags era specific of course. Whos right? Nobody really as it seems nowadays everyone forms there own opinion instead of going by what the auto press says. __________________

08-05-2009, 04:38 PM	#22 (permalink)
MC Moderator Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NC Posts: 3,238 Drives: 2015 GTR NISMO Rep Power: 24	^ yeah thats what im sayin __________________ 2015 GT-R N1SMO "THE ONE" Instagram MCGTRN1SMO Youtube MCGTRNISMO

08-05-2009, 08:44 PM	#26 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	When did Wikipedia become a "dictionary"? haha just playing, thanks. Last edited by RCZ; 08-05-2009 at 08:47 PM.

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08-05-2009, 06:41 PM	#23 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Im not going to argue semantics, call your car what you will. There can't be a right and wrong answer when there is no specific definition of the word supercar.

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Cjanik Track Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 578 Drives: N/A Rep Power: 17	here's a "dictionary" description of the word supercar: Supercar is a term generally used for a high-end sports car, whose performance is highly superior to that of its contemporaries. It has been defined specifically as "a very expensive, fast or powerful car with a centrally located engine", and stated in more general terms: "it must be very fast, with sporting handling to match," "it should be sleek and eye-catching" and its price should be "one in a rarefied atmosphere of its own. but the proper application of the term is subjective and disputed, especially among enthusiasts. The use of the term can be dependent on the era; a vehicle that may have been considered a supercar in one decade may not be considered the same in another decade. The term supercar may refer to factory-built, street-legal sports cars. Some vehicles referred to as supercars include many of the features required for race cars such as roll cages.

08-05-2009, 11:50 PM	#27 (permalink)
KingDavid Base Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Miami Posts: 176 Drives: A car Rep Power: 16	If it runs at least 11's bone stock, it's a supercar. /thread

08-06-2009, 12:18 PM	#29 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	Guess I'm too used to seeing your "supercars" here in Miami to think they are anything special. I saw 3 R8's yesterday and a GT-R and several turbos, a 997 GT3, a few M6s, 3 F430's, a Novitech F360, several AMV8's, a DBS and a DB9, bunch of E92 M3's some M5's and an RS4. So did I see any supercars? meh Maybe the F430s...

08-08-2009, 01:08 PM	#30 (permalink)
tbonesteak Track Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Socal Posts: 914 Drives: MY09 MB 6MT Rep Power: 375	GT-R definitely is a supercar but not an exotic by any means. It's still a mass produced inexclusive (at least here in LA) sports car that just doesn't share the manufacturing process, material grade, craftsmanship, etc with the exotics. Performance suggests that it definitely is a supercar tho. I don't care if it can beat the F430, Gallardo, etc. Like RCZ said earlier, i can make my Z go faster and it wouldn't put it in a class above them. I guess i'm in the middle here: Yes the GTR is a supercar but its performance doesn't make it more superior. I love the GTR by the way don't get me wrong; this is just my opinion on the subject matter.