2014 Jaguar F-Type - really?
 

340 HP....base is 70 K?
Really Jaguar?

ill stick with my 33 K base 370z......PLUS yours looks like mine...copy cats....
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A Jag is a hell of a lot nicer inside inside than any Z. The target market for a Jag isn't someone who even knows a Z exists. Jags are made so women have something pretty to park at the country club.

Yeah, but the new F-Type looks fantastic. I'm looking forward to Top Gear's review, I saw a clip of it in the intro. If you can afford it, then speed isn't necessarily what you care about, nor is reliability for that matter.

It's a gorgeous car. If I ever had a company willing to lease me a work car, I'd seriously consider it. Jag reliability has come up in recent years, but I still wouldn't have one as my only car.

Um... I don't even know what this means...

332HP... Base 33K?
Really Nissan?

I'll stick with my 30k base 5.0 (that has 416HP)


240HP... Base 93k? (S350 BluTec)
Really Mercedes?

I'll stick with my 33k base 370Z


The Jag and the 370 aren't even CLOSE to the same league... They shouldn't be compared

I'll bet that Jag is a hell of a lot more comfortable than any Z ever made and can hold 2 golf bags in the trunk.

I'd take a Boxter S over the base f type, and a 911 S over the v8 model. But hey I've never been into British cars.. Does look sexy in person though!
The V8 model has a nice price per horsepower btw.

It makes a wonderful noise too. I'm with you though. If I had the cash in hand, I'd come home with a 911.

This car is badass, you need to hear it in person before rushing to judgment.

It is on a completely different level than the 370z, it's not even close in terms of refinement, luxury, or brand recognition so it's not even a fair comparison

Jaguar F-Type squares off against Porsche 911, Aston V8 Vantage with Chris Harris - Autoblog

The jag sounds MEAN

I'd take the Jag over the 911. I don't think I could ever by a base 911 or 911 S, I'd have to go GT3/GT2.

That Jag is gorgeous! Their design team is incredible.

Man the things I'd do for a GT2..
I like the built in diffuser on the V8 version. And the orange color is just amazing!

Same here. My shame would fade, but I'd still have the GT2.

Try to think this one through. The Jag:

1. SC v6 has a far broader torque band then the NA Z: the engine is a beast
2. Classic Jag styling, subjective but its a looker.
3. Much better interior and customization available
4. Target market: Cayman/Boxster or low end 911

Copy cats...that's pun-ny :) Most folks copy Jag styling given they are classics. The Z will remain a sports car and is a fantastic package for what it is.

The F type is a bit porky IMHO, so to me its leans more GT then Sports car when comparing it to a Boxster. Kudos for Jaguar for bringing this sucker to market. With the exception of the transmission choices, I could see myself actually lusting after one for once.

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Well, the z's target when they designed the 370z was the Cayman...

Swing and a miss :stirthepot:

The price points are so vastly different that I am not faulting Nissan: they brought a very specific car to market segment devoid of competition, though not a large market segment.

The F and the P cars are priced similarly (though I would expect the Jag to come out 10-15% less expensive, in the ball park)

- b

Top Gear will always give a more favorable review to a Brit car than it usually deserves.

Not always, they STILL hate the McLaren, even in season 20, they say its MUCH better, but still prefer the 458

And the Z beat the Cayman in performance, but lost in overall scores. I know one thing, the Z will be ridiculously cheaper to maintain, and the value of the Jaguar will drop off a cliff when it is driven off the lot.

<ninja edit> OK. Make that two things.

Truth. Clarkson loves Ferarri.

Funny because the last one he owned was like 25-30 years ago. Only James owns one, and he's hinted many times that he will be buying the 458


And honestly, they make fun of Great Shittish cars ALLLLLLLL the time, they didn't like the last Jag because it was too golf club-ish, And they really do crap crap about Lotus, Range Rovers and almost everything else's reliability

Owned one, yes, but loves them? Always. The man loves Ferrari. Who doesn't, though.

Lol, Jay Leno HATES them

Ludacris prefers his Acura
http://www.vingle.net/posts/161812

I checked it out last night after I saw an ad on the golf channel. It's a beautiful car. The engineering, as far as the transmission knowing when to downshift in a curve, looks really cool. Too much $$ for me. If I had the cash I'd definitely be taking a look. It's not always about horsepower. They do have a V8 with over 400hp. That's more than enough for just about anyone. Even with the 4000 lb.+ weight.

If you think a Jag F-Type looks anything like a 370Z, you're delusional.

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I am disappointed by the size of the f. When I heard ramblings that this was going into production, I'd hoped it would be smaller, a proper brit roadster. I parked next to one a few weeks ago, and it dwarfed my Corvette. It is massive.

I also have a personal bias against jags because they don't offer a manual option and are very expensive, but their design is beautiful

Even wth a nice interior that doesn't add up to 30k extra

To you. This isn't a z competitor. It's for someone looking at 911s.

I meant performance wise

Sure it's a Z competitor. Just because someone has 90k to drop on a car, that doesn't mean they want to spend it all. If the Z is close enough in performance or interior quality and half the price, a consumer may opt for it. I'm not saying the Z is as nice or even as fast as the top level jag, but people might cross shop the two

I wouldn't think a Nissan would even be on the radar of someone who's seriously considering a Jag or Porsche. The dealerships aren't nice enough to draw that demographic in unless they're an enthusiast.

I know someone who cross shopped a zl1 and an frs. Again, just because you can spend a ton, doesn't mean you have to. His decision, in the end, was motivated by what else he could do with the rest of the money. And not every rich guy needs a prestige vehicle.

People like that are out there, they're just in the minority of high end car buyers. I bought a Z over other cars that cost a lot more, so I understand. But enthusiasts are not the target market for high end prestige vehicles. Especially ones like the Jag where the performance isn't quite in line with the rest of the vehicles it competes with.

The jag f-type is a beautiful design...I would take this over a 911 if only they offered a manual it's a fresh and updated design from the legendary e-type...jaguar are making the best looking automobiles today.

My good friend just picked up a new 5.0. New flowmaster exhaust system plus a tune put him at 382whp. Not that impressive IMO for a 5L V8. Plus their wheels, calipers, how the dash meets the doors, and the seats looks like fiddo's *** hole.

Right...and if they used say a Cayman S as a benchmark the missed.
A base car will be at a pretty big HP disadvantage but I would bet a good steak that most people after driving both cars for a week would take the underpowered car as it provides a better driving experience.

The Z is:

1. Porkier then Kardashian calves
2. Lacks steering feel (its good, not great)
3. Ridiculously sensitive on/off TCS for a sports car

You are not going to get around the fact that a big honking 6 is hanging over the front axle vs a mid-engine car: tough to fight the physics there.

I seem to be in the minority on this site, but I wanted the Z to be a return to its roots, lighter, fun to toss, and absolute power not a requirement as its a street car. Heck I had hoped the Z33 was a NA I-6, 250 HP, 3000 lbs. Boy was I waaay of base on that. If you are going to charge 35-45K for it, then it should have better interior for its class. Missed that too.

Perhaps its hard for Nissan to do with the amount of platform sharing that may be mandated by corporate management. Driving the Z, I feel like it is a good GT car that wants to be a sports car. Driving the 987, I feel like I am driving a sports car that just wants to be pushed harder.

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I don't think Nissan missed. Have you driven a Cayman S? I have, several times. It feels similar to the z during normal driving. And the z hides it's weight very well because it has tons of grip. I've never taken the z or Cayman to the track so I can't compare the 2 there. Bnd the Cayman's cheap interior (not the new 981 based cayman) isn't as nice as the Z's IMO (one of the biggest complaints of the 997/981 based cars, especially the cheesy cup holders) but hey, everyone's entitled to their own opinion :)

Give Nissan credit, they make the GT-R and it beat the 911 turbo (which was the performance goal) around the Nurburgring.

The cayman is faster. It handles better at the limit and puts its power down a bit better. The Z is fast and agile, but the cayman and boxster are possibly the best handling cars in the world.

That said, the z isn't very far behind in those department and is relatively affordable.