ATS vs 335 vs C350

SS_Firehawk · 06-11-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

That TT motor has not been confirmed for the ATSV. That motor will go into the new CTS V sport. A new V for the ATS or CTS has not been confirmed or announced by GM yet regardless of what Jalopnik or other sites say. Trust me, I'm on the V boards and this has been discussed thoroughly. I think they are deciding on how to slot a real V into the GM line up. Right now the new C7 Vette does not match the current V in terms of power. So until a new ZR1 that's C7 based I don't think we get to see a new V. The current V will be sold as a 2014 model with orders placed this month.

Just going to point out that we don't even trust each other on our own boards, so for me, you being in the V boards is not justifiable enough for me to take your word on it. But I do understand your argument. It's very likely that the ATS will get the TT V6 motor. If it's targeting BMW and the C63 for performance, fuel economy, and technology, it's going to happen. The new CTS model may have to wait a few years for a proper V drivetrain (FI'd V8) to use.

DCNISMO · 06-11-2013, 11:07 PM

True, I'm just saying that GM has not announced a ATSV yet but it is true that you can order the current CTSV as a 2014 model. That just started this week as people have placed orders. The pecking order for these models in relation to the new C7 has mot been made public. It's doubtful that a new V wagon comes out, people think that ship has sailed and they will become collectors cars, even more if it's a manual 6 speed. My local dealer wants me to trade my 09 V for an new ATS. I told her she was nutty for that suggestion.
Too bad I did not have space to keep the Nismo, they would be a good pair to own as compliments to each other.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-12-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

True, I'm just saying that GM has not announced a ATSV yet but it is true that you can order the current CTSV as a 2014 model. That just started this week as people have placed orders. The pecking order for these models in relation to the new C7 has mot been made public. It's doubtful that a new V wagon comes out, people think that ship has sailed and they will become collectors cars, even more if it's a manual 6 speed. My local dealer wants me to trade my 09 V for an new ATS. I told her she was nutty for that suggestion.
Too bad I did not have space to keep the Nismo, they would be a good pair to own as compliments to each other.

I appreciate the update bruh... I'm gonna try to follow that 3.6TT news better.

EDIT: This is what we do know... GM is test running a ATS-V variant vehicle against BMW's M3 sedan. Obviously they are on the attack to make a better performance sedan than the M3. Now I don't know what's under the hood, but i doubt it's a v8. It would be too front heavy and cause plowing in the corners.
BMW usually runs a high tech small v8 (4.4ltr) or there signature v6 turbo. I don't see GM spending money on a v8 small and powerful enough to compete against the M3. My educated guess would be the rumor is probably closer to fact than rumor. Either way, The ATS-V being tested to outperform the M3 is exactly what GM/Cadillac needs to revitalize the brand

I'm wishing Cadillac the best of luck in this difficult task they took on. While BMW's have been generally overrated. The M-series remains a force to be reckoned with. This is going to be an insane battle.

http://blogs.automotive.com/spied-20...m3-140515.html

DCNISMO · 06-12-2013, 01:02 PM

I don't think the new M3 keeps its V8. So a high output 3.65TT could be put in the ATS to make an ATS-V and compete with ti. The new CTS-V will still compete with the M5, so it will have a V8....question is will it have a blower and be based on the new engine in the C7 vette? If so then the new ZR-1 will have to get a blower and be about 100 HP more than then new V, which is what we have today. My V has 556 HP and the ZR-1 has 650 or so I think.

The real bastard in this affair is the ZL-1, what happens to that? The Z-28 may push it out.

Its a great time for cars now, I hope younger people appreciate the choices we have now....after getting my engineering degree in 86.....we had crappy cars...in fact the GT Stang back then had all of 185 HP from a V8. The 70's and 80's into the early 90's were bad car years....very bad. Stickers, fake scoops, weak engines.....yadayada...

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-12-2013, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

I don't think the new M3 keeps its V8. So a high output 3.65TT could be put in the ATS to make an ATS-V and compete with ti. The new CTS-V will still compete with the M5, so it will have a V8....question is will it have a blower and be based on the new engine in the C7 vette? If so then the new ZR-1 will have to get a blower and be about 100 HP more than then new V, which is what we have today. My V has 556 HP and the ZR-1 has 650 or so I think.

The real bastard in this affair is the ZL-1, what happens to that? The Z-28 may push it out.

Its a great time for cars now, I hope younger people appreciate the choices we have now....after getting my engineering degree in 86.....we had crappy cars...in fact the GT Stang back then had all of 185 HP from a V8. The 70's and 80's into the early 90's were bad car years....very bad. Stickers, fake scoops, weak engines.....yadayada...

I believe the ZR-1 is 638hp, which is about 82hp more than the CTS-V. As far as the ZL-1 and Z28. I don't see there being too much of an issue.

First reason, The supercharged ZL-! is still a street car with track capability.
The Z/28 is a NA track car that is street legal. They appeal to 2 different levels of enthusiast and both are made in limited numbers.
Second thing is, there's 2 model years left to the Camaro 5. When the Alpha platform comes in for the Camaro. The ZL-1 and Z/28 may disappear till 2/3 in again or, The ZL1 will die while the Z/28 lives on in limited numbers. Chevy always plays musical monikers when it comes to Camaro models. Not too big o deal. That said. I just want to see a much improved Camaro throughout the range.

Chuck33079 · 06-12-2013, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

That said. I just want to see a much lighter Camaro throughout the range.

Fixed. And maybe make it possible to see out of it? Those were the two major gripes I had about the car.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-24-2013, 08:47 AM

Great news... There will be for certain an ATS coupe... Will be interesting to see the 2.0 coupe.

Spied! 2014 Cadillac ATS Coupe; Ditches Fastback for More Traditional Look - Automotive News

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06-11-2013, 11:07 PM	#2 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	True, I'm just saying that GM has not announced a ATSV yet but it is true that you can order the current CTSV as a 2014 model. That just started this week as people have placed orders. The pecking order for these models in relation to the new C7 has mot been made public. It's doubtful that a new V wagon comes out, people think that ship has sailed and they will become collectors cars, even more if it's a manual 6 speed. My local dealer wants me to trade my 09 V for an new ATS. I told her she was nutty for that suggestion. Too bad I did not have space to keep the Nismo, they would be a good pair to own as compliments to each other.

06-12-2013, 01:02 PM	#4 (permalink)
DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	I don't think the new M3 keeps its V8. So a high output 3.65TT could be put in the ATS to make an ATS-V and compete with ti. The new CTS-V will still compete with the M5, so it will have a V8....question is will it have a blower and be based on the new engine in the C7 vette? If so then the new ZR-1 will have to get a blower and be about 100 HP more than then new V, which is what we have today. My V has 556 HP and the ZR-1 has 650 or so I think. The real bastard in this affair is the ZL-1, what happens to that? The Z-28 may push it out. Its a great time for cars now, I hope younger people appreciate the choices we have now....after getting my engineering degree in 86.....we had crappy cars...in fact the GT Stang back then had all of 185 HP from a V8. The 70's and 80's into the early 90's were bad car years....very bad. Stickers, fake scoops, weak engines.....yadayada...