ATS vs 335 vs C350

DCNISMO · 06-12-2013, 02:02 PM

I don't think the new M3 keeps its V8. So a high output 3.65TT could be put in the ATS to make an ATS-V and compete with ti. The new CTS-V will still compete with the M5, so it will have a V8....question is will it have a blower and be based on the new engine in the C7 vette? If so then the new ZR-1 will have to get a blower and be about 100 HP more than then new V, which is what we have today. My V has 556 HP and the ZR-1 has 650 or so I think.

The real bastard in this affair is the ZL-1, what happens to that? The Z-28 may push it out.

Its a great time for cars now, I hope younger people appreciate the choices we have now....after getting my engineering degree in 86.....we had crappy cars...in fact the GT Stang back then had all of 185 HP from a V8. The 70's and 80's into the early 90's were bad car years....very bad. Stickers, fake scoops, weak engines.....yadayada...

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-12-2013, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DCNISMO

I don't think the new M3 keeps its V8. So a high output 3.65TT could be put in the ATS to make an ATS-V and compete with ti. The new CTS-V will still compete with the M5, so it will have a V8....question is will it have a blower and be based on the new engine in the C7 vette? If so then the new ZR-1 will have to get a blower and be about 100 HP more than then new V, which is what we have today. My V has 556 HP and the ZR-1 has 650 or so I think.

The real bastard in this affair is the ZL-1, what happens to that? The Z-28 may push it out.

Its a great time for cars now, I hope younger people appreciate the choices we have now....after getting my engineering degree in 86.....we had crappy cars...in fact the GT Stang back then had all of 185 HP from a V8. The 70's and 80's into the early 90's were bad car years....very bad. Stickers, fake scoops, weak engines.....yadayada...

I believe the ZR-1 is 638hp, which is about 82hp more than the CTS-V. As far as the ZL-1 and Z28. I don't see there being too much of an issue.

First reason, The supercharged ZL-! is still a street car with track capability.
The Z/28 is a NA track car that is street legal. They appeal to 2 different levels of enthusiast and both are made in limited numbers.
Second thing is, there's 2 model years left to the Camaro 5. When the Alpha platform comes in for the Camaro. The ZL-1 and Z/28 may disappear till 2/3 in again or, The ZL1 will die while the Z/28 lives on in limited numbers. Chevy always plays musical monikers when it comes to Camaro models. Not too big o deal. That said. I just want to see a much improved Camaro throughout the range.

Chuck33079 · 06-12-2013, 03:39 PM

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That said. I just want to see a much lighter Camaro throughout the range.

Fixed. And maybe make it possible to see out of it? Those were the two major gripes I had about the car.

synolimit · 06-20-2013, 05:04 PM

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i would still choose the new accord sedan over these. why? cause it looks better and they are meh...sedans. lol

You must have not driven it or any of these!

Had to buy the wife a new car. She had a 10 accord and we drove the 13 accord sport. Guess what? It's an accord. Felt the same, drove the same, just a upper level cheap Japanese car. nothing special, horrible power, no real refinement or luxury but that's ok at the time because she had nothing to really compare it to.

Then we drove the Buick Verono. Wife hated it. I had an 12 regal GS 2.0 turbo, huge brembos (same size as 370z), adjustable suspension, nice interior but really lacking in the power department with the tanny computer killing power whenever it wanted. A lot to be desired and not a GM fan at all. The ats can't be far behind.

Then the Kia optima. Nicer inside than the two but again no power and horrible motor sounds! Really cheap!

Then a BMW 325i. Wife's obsessed with BMW. Always has been but never drove one. The inside she liked, power was ok but everything that guy in the vid said was true!! Drive it and you're done with it.

Then the c300. She loves everything! Everyday she tells me she loves it. The ride, the power, the MOTOR SOUNDS WOW! (Then I put an exhaust mod on it!!!!), the interior, I could go on and on. Then her mom got rid of a 07 c280 and got an 11 e350. Then she had a leak fixed last week under warranty and they gave her a 13 glk350. Needless to say she loves them all. Merc 4 life!

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-20-2013, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by synolimit

You must have not driven it or any of these!

Had to buy the wife a new car. She had a 10 accord and we drove the 13 accord sport. Guess what? It's an accord. Felt the same, drove the same, just a upper level cheap Japanese car. nothing special, horrible power, no real refinement or luxury but that's ok at the time because she had nothing to really compare it to.

Then we drove the Buick Verono. Wife hated it. I had an 12 regal GS 2.0 turbo, huge brembos (same size as 370z), adjustable suspension, nice interior but really lacking in the power department with the tanny computer killing power whenever it wanted. A lot to be desired and not a GM fan at all. The ats can't be far behind.

Then the Kia optima. Nicer inside than the two but again no power and horrible motor sounds! Really cheap!

Then a BMW 325i. Wife's obsessed with BMW. Always has been but never drove one. The inside she liked, power was ok but everything that guy in the vid said was true!! Drive it and you're done with it.

Then the c300. She loves everything! Everyday she tells me she loves it. The ride, the power, the MOTOR SOUNDS WOW! (Then I put an exhaust mod on it!!!!), the interior, I could go on and on. Then her mom got rid of a 07 c280 and got an 11 e350. Then she had a leak fixed last week under warranty and they gave her a 13 glk350. Needless to say she loves them all. Merc 4 life!

Never driven a C300. But sat in one @ the Dallas Auto Show. I can attest too much hype goes to the BMW 3 series interior by comparison. Mercedes is true interior luxury. If luxury floats your boat? I don't see anything better than Mercedes in the price point.

synolimit · 06-20-2013, 05:59 PM

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Never driven a C300. But sat in one @ the Dallas Auto Show. I can attest too much hype goes to the BMW 3 series interior by comparison. Mercedes is true interior luxury. If luxury floats your boat? I don't see anything better than Mercedes in the price point.

Well its got power too. In my shoes we own two cars. I wouldn't want my z and what he called a z like handling car that's stiff. It's nice to have one of each. If you were only buying one though, the merc would still have to be it from what I know about GM, trannys, etc. plus he did say stuff everything into the amazing merc package. All around its the best DD since no one will buy a ats to carve canyon roads 24/7.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-20-2013, 06:39 PM

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Well its got power too. In my shoes we own two cars. I wouldn't want my z and what he called a z like handling car that's stiff. It's nice to have one of each. If you were only buying one though, the merc would still have to be it from what I know about GM, trannys, etc. plus he did say stuff everything into the amazing merc package. All around its the best DD since no one will buy a ats to carve canyon roads 24/7.

The only way i need a car to ride like a Benz is on road trips longer than 6 hours. Otherwise im good. Even then. I think the 6 hour thing is based on the passengers with me, not me, myself.
I truly love my cars to perform. Even a luxury sedan. I would be that guy in the market for an ATS even though i own a Z. I can haul people without losing the excitement of driving.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-24-2013, 09:47 AM

Great news... There will be for certain an ATS coupe... Will be interesting to see the 2.0 coupe.

Spied! 2014 Cadillac ATS Coupe; Ditches Fastback for More Traditional Look - Automotive News

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DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	I don't think the new M3 keeps its V8. So a high output 3.65TT could be put in the ATS to make an ATS-V and compete with ti. The new CTS-V will still compete with the M5, so it will have a V8....question is will it have a blower and be based on the new engine in the C7 vette? If so then the new ZR-1 will have to get a blower and be about 100 HP more than then new V, which is what we have today. My V has 556 HP and the ZR-1 has 650 or so I think. The real bastard in this affair is the ZL-1, what happens to that? The Z-28 may push it out. Its a great time for cars now, I hope younger people appreciate the choices we have now....after getting my engineering degree in 86.....we had crappy cars...in fact the GT Stang back then had all of 185 HP from a V8. The 70's and 80's into the early 90's were bad car years....very bad. Stickers, fake scoops, weak engines.....yadayada...