Great (rumoured) news for Mustang Fanboys

m4a1mustang · 06-21-2013, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I know, but pound for pound on track. The camaro has received much more praise for it's stock brembo kit for not fading. while ford has had fade issues from stock under certain conditions, like our akebono's have issues under certain conditions

I don't even bother with stock brake comparisons because it is a moot point for those of us that do real hardcore driving. We upgrade our pads/fluid right away as a street pad and DOT 3 fluid just won't hold up to any track or extended spirited driving.

With pad/fluid upgrades these systems are going to perform almost identically.

The only caveat would be the Akebono system, which is in a much greater need of additional air cooling than the Brembo calipers used on the Mustang/Camaro. The latter are bigger and do a better job of expelling heat. The Akebonos have a nasty habit of retaining a lot of it and really benefit from ducting.

I do really like mine with DS2500 pads and ATE Blue, though.

m4a1mustang · 06-21-2013, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The 14" brembos seemed to be fine on the 550hp GT500 while dealing with more weight than this guy is likely to. I expect they'll be fine for reasonable track duty.

They are great for track duty. Just needs an appropriate pad with DOT 4 fluid. Additional cooling is always a plus.

Lug · 06-21-2013, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I don't even bother with stock brake comparisons because it is a moot point for those of us that do real hardcore driving. We upgrade our pads/fluid right away as a street pad and DOT 3 fluid just won't hold up to any track or extended spirited driving.

With pad/fluid upgrades these systems are going to perform almost identically.

"Stangs still using Dot 3?!?!?!? Damm, your wife's economy car uses better brake fluid than that!

m4a1mustang · 06-21-2013, 01:02 PM

Found more detailed pics

2015 Mustang s550 FULL PROTOTYPE Spy Pics [6/10/13] - 2015+ S550 Mustang Forum (6th Generation Platform) - Mustang6G.com

Front brakes are definitely NOT the current GT Brembos, nor are they the current GT500s. Something new.

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-27-2013, 07:16 PM

Sounds Brolic!!!

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-27-2013, 07:18 PM

2015 Ford Mustang to Revive Mach 1 Moniker

UNKNOWN_370 · 06-29-2013, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

I don't even bother with stock brake comparisons because it is a moot point for those of us that do real hardcore driving. We upgrade our pads/fluid right away as a street pad and DOT 3 fluid just won't hold up to any track or extended spirited driving.

With pad/fluid upgrades these systems are going to perform almost identically.

The only caveat would be the Akebono system, which is in a much greater need of additional air cooling than the Brembo calipers used on the Mustang/Camaro. The latter are bigger and do a better job of expelling heat. The Akebonos have a nasty habit of retaining a lot of it and really benefit from ducting.

I do really like mine with DS2500 pads and ATE Blue, though.

Yeah, but what you don't bother with and what Ford is trying to do in terms of getting a better review against the camaro are two different things. SEVERAL Video reviews of both cars on track prove the camaro braking to be much more confident and track ready from stock.

Point of previous statements was simple based on what looks like a larger caliper and a reason why Ford would want to improve on the brakes they already have. Which is based on the camaro v8 SS/1LE performance. It's direct competitor.

Though you're mostly accurate concerning Z brakes to a point. (Z brakes don't give problems in cooler weather with the proper upgrades. Brake hoses necessary for summer driving). It's not relevant to the Camaro/mustang (challenger)redesign war.

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Found more detailed pics

2015 Mustang s550 FULL PROTOTYPE Spy Pics [6/10/13] - 2015+ S550 Mustang Forum (6th Generation Platform) - Mustang6G.com

Front brakes are definitely NOT the current GT Brembos, nor are they the current GT500s. Something new.

Basically what we were observing.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-19-2013, 09:33 AM

Looks like the mustang changed their minds concerning the importance of weight reduction... Ford is making sure they are ready when the 2016 C6 camaro with the new alpha platform arrives. According to edmunds, Mustang decided to go on a 400lb diet. With the v6 near 3600lbs and the v8 close to 3700lbs. This should put them at around 3200 and 3300lbs. Which is an estimated 100-150lbs LIGHTER than the expectations of the alpha/camaro. Read the edmunds article.

2015 Ford Mustang Goes on a Diet | Edmunds.com

Gotta love the muscle car wars!!!

m4a1mustang · 08-19-2013, 09:40 AM

If it's 400lbs lighter its going to be insane.

Arrvaxx · 08-19-2013, 09:42 AM

I love my 40th and am about to drop a crap load of cash on it but if they did all that? Man...that'd be hard to pass up.

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Originally Posted by asdfsammich

Sounds promising for muscle car land.

You know some other rumors I been hearing. Next M2 and RS3 might getting engine configs like we want for the next Z.

I so hope the next Z pulls out a 6TT +/- 3.0 on a lighter platform.

Tapatalk2 ...

theDreamer · 08-19-2013, 09:54 AM

The 400lbs is going to only be the v6 or ecoboost model they are saying now.
Though the v8 will try to cut 200lbs, it might not fully happen they think.

Also rumor or confirmed facts are:
-GT500 is gone and replaced with a NA GT350 to compete against the NA Camaro
-SVT (unknown official name) will be the new top dog. Probably using the 5.0 but unsure yet on SC or TT yet. Another rumor for this model is they hope to take on the Corvette and bypass the top Camaro. They want to basically destroy the Camaro at the top and put a challenge against the Corvette C7.

Also a minimum of a 10% price increase for the Mustang may happen for the top end models.

m4a1mustang · 08-19-2013, 09:59 AM

I want them to bring back the SVT Snake Horse.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-19-2013, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The 400lbs is going to only be the v6 or ecoboost model they are saying now.
Though the v8 will try to cut 200lbs, it might not fully happen they think.

Also rumor or confirmed facts are:
-GT500 is gone and replaced with a NA GT350 to compete against the NA Camaro
-SVT (unknown official name) will be the new top dog. Probably using the 5.0 but unsure yet on SC or TT yet. Another rumor for this model is they hope to take on the Corvette and bypass the top Camaro. They want to basically destroy the Camaro at the top and put a challenge against the Corvette C7.

Also a minimum of a 10% price increase for the Mustang may happen for the top end models.

I don't think Chevy is going to let that happen this time around. I think they intend the camaro to beat or rival the mustang, without giving them the leeway to compete against the corvette directly... If you look at the engine platforms they have now, and the new alpha platform which we really know nothing about. People are estimating 3400-3500lb chassis based on tensile steel composition on the ATS. We don't know if chevy will use other tricks for weight reduction on the camaro. We have to see which way chevy goes in the war. It's going to be tight.

theDreamer · 08-19-2013, 10:11 AM

I would agree, but Ford has been keeping a lot under wraps with the next Mustang and some rumors are coming out they want to bump themselves up a level in the competition.

UNKNOWN_370 · 08-19-2013, 10:41 AM

We don't know ANYTHING about the C6 and they have the advantage of coming out one year later. But hey, it's a healthy competition that stirs much excitement.

06-21-2013, 01:02 PM	#94 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Found more detailed pics 2015 Mustang s550 FULL PROTOTYPE Spy Pics [6/10/13] - 2015+ S550 Mustang Forum (6th Generation Platform) - Mustang6G.com Front brakes are definitely NOT the current GT Brembos, nor are they the current GT500s. Something new. Rooster89 likes this. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

06-27-2013, 07:16 PM	#95 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Sounds Brolic!!! __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

06-27-2013, 07:18 PM	#96 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Mach 1& ShelbyGT350 Mustang? 2015 Ford Mustang to Revive Mach 1 Moniker __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

08-19-2013, 09:33 AM	#98 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	Looks like the mustang changed their minds concerning the importance of weight reduction... Ford is making sure they are ready when the 2016 C6 camaro with the new alpha platform arrives. According to edmunds, Mustang decided to go on a 400lb diet. With the v6 near 3600lbs and the v8 close to 3700lbs. This should put them at around 3200 and 3300lbs. Which is an estimated 100-150lbs LIGHTER than the expectations of the alpha/camaro. Read the edmunds article. 2015 Ford Mustang Goes on a Diet \| Edmunds.com Gotta love the muscle car wars!!! __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

08-19-2013, 09:40 AM	#99 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	If it's 400lbs lighter its going to be insane. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-19-2013, 09:54 AM	#101 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	The 400lbs is going to only be the v6 or ecoboost model they are saying now. Though the v8 will try to cut 200lbs, it might not fully happen they think. Also rumor or confirmed facts are: -GT500 is gone and replaced with a NA GT350 to compete against the NA Camaro -SVT (unknown official name) will be the new top dog. Probably using the 5.0 but unsure yet on SC or TT yet. Another rumor for this model is they hope to take on the Corvette and bypass the top Camaro. They want to basically destroy the Camaro at the top and put a challenge against the Corvette C7. Also a minimum of a 10% price increase for the Mustang may happen for the top end models. b1adesofcha0s likes this. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

08-19-2013, 09:59 AM	#102 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	I want them to bring back the SVT Snake Horse. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

08-19-2013, 10:11 AM	#104 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4210	I would agree, but Ford has been keeping a lot under wraps with the next Mustang and some rumors are coming out they want to bump themselves up a level in the competition. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

08-19-2013, 10:41 AM	#105 (permalink)
UNKNOWN_370 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: ny'r livn in tx Posts: 8,687 Drives: well over 130m.p.h. Rep Power: 14858	We don't know ANYTHING about the C6 and they have the advantage of coming out one year later. But hey, it's a healthy competition that stirs much excitement. __________________ Favorite Quote. "I'm not gonna kill you... I'm just gonna Bash Your Face In" Jack Nicholson-"The Shining". 1980

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