2014 camaro Z/28

asdfsammich · 03-31-2013, 04:43 PM

For sure. Z28 is a great move. I'm really digging the actual performance focus, and, from my perspective at least, cheeky nods to it, like a one speaker radio lols.

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asdfsammich · 03-31-2013, 04:51 PM

As far as all those fluffy posts about rare, exclusive etc ... not sure I dig the Z the categorized as a cult thing. Been watching too much "The Following" lately and those people are freaking nuts.

How about seeing the Z as excluded from the set of cars that have direct competition that influence kick arse development, and lets say that set is only Mustang/Camaro. Yep, I'd rather drink that koolaid lols. All semantics though, i.e. a different load.

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mick · 03-31-2013, 05:52 PM

I think only guys who are into driving the car at the track would love this car. The Z28 pretty much has no options, like a race car, compared to lesser Camaro models. For that reason, even if I could afford it, I would not consider.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-01-2013, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by asdfsammich

As far as all those fluffy posts about rare, exclusive etc ... not sure I dig the Z the categorized as a cult thing. Been watching too much "The Following" lately and those people are freaking nuts.

How about seeing the Z as excluded from the set of cars that have direct competition that influence kick arse development, and lets say that set is only Mustang/Camaro. Yep, I'd rather drink that koolaid lols. All semantics though, i.e. a different load.

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All cult means is a small bunch of die hards that are loyal fans of anything.

I think the Z more than certifies in the cult category. But again, not a Z, or hyundai thread,

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Originally Posted by mick

I think only guys who are into driving the car at the track would love this car. The Z28 pretty much has no options, like a race car, compared to lesser Camaro models. For that reason, even if I could afford it, I would not consider.

Yeah but, this car and the 1LE are the closest you are going to get to stock track camaro's out the box. Outside the mustang Boss302. I cant think of a car $50,000 or less that can be this track capable and have this much power behind it from stock. CRAZY!!!

StangerGT · 04-01-2013, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

All cult means is a small bunch of die hards that are loyal fans of anything.

I think the Z more than certifies in the cult category. But again, not a Z, or hyundai thread,

I can easily say I see more Z's around me then Camaro's... I think the Z was what you stated... maybe a few years ago. Its been around log enough now that the market is flooded with them. The used car dealer near me has like 4 or 5 sitting out front... not even one mustang.

Note... they have had mustangs in the past tho...

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

I can easily say I see more Z's around me then Camaro's... I think the Z was what you stated... maybe a few years ago. Its been around log enough now that the market is flooded with them. The used car dealer near me has like 4 or 5 sitting out front... not even one mustang.

Note... they have had mustangs in the past tho...

The whole 6 year run of the 350z sold 150,000 units.

The first year of the 2010 Camaro models sold 125,000 units.

If you add up all the 350z's plus 370z's out there. There may be 190,000 350 and 370z's combined. And 190,000 units may be an exaggeration still???
By the end of model year 2011. There were over 210,000 camaro's sold. They beat us in the first 2 years vs a generation and a half of Z's. Add and average of 80,000 Camaro units being sold since then.

Camaro has sold nearly 350,000 units over 4 years.
The Z sold nearly 190,000 units in 10 years.

If we only count the appropriate generations
The 370Z has sold right around 40,000 units.
The Camaro has sold 350,000 units.

You need a multitude of generations of z's combined over the course of 23 years to play in the arena of units sold of new camaro's out there. i don't have Z32 numbers but they didnt sell well here. Thats why they were cancelled in the U.S. So im going to guess even with the z32 added. We don't get close. By comparison to Mustang, Camaro and BMW sales numbers in the united states. The Z is a cult car guaranteed. If I throw in the Camaro numbers from 25 years ago. The camaro would go close to a million units, if not more? So would the camaro... The Z would be around 300,000 units here.
Just because you have a disproportionate amount of Z's in your area doesn't make it not a low volume selling car on a national level.

EDIT

The Z32 sold an estimated 46,000 units in the U.S. Decided to go find out. So since 1991. There has been approx. 240,000 z's. give or take a few thousand.
The Z31(1984-1990) sold 3.5x more units in the U.S. proving to be as popular as the Z33.

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Just because you have a disproportionate amount of Z's in your area doesn't make it not a low volume selling car on a national level.

And with all that said, I agree with the numbers... but just because we are comparing the Z to two models that have a disproportionaty high amount of sales, that doesnt mean the Z per say is a cult car. It just means those two car models sell like hot cakes, and have been around forever. Those cars also have a much wider range of use then the Z. And if we compare the Camaro and Mustang combined, against many cars they would be considered a cult.

I consider a cult following to be of a car that is somewhat rare, maybe sold in low numbers or many have been since destroyed, and is followed because of a hard to find nature, or a quarkyness. The Z does not have these qualities. Its rather inexpensive for the performance offered, I could go buy one right now used or new without even trying to find one. There is a large aftermarket for it.

I think it may have been a cult at the start, but I think it has out grown this.

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 11:08 AM

A friend of mine has a Delorian... that is deff a cult car.

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He also has a 79 Land Rover Defender...

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2013, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

And with all that said, I agree with the numbers... but just because we are comparing the Z to two models that have a disproportionaty high amount of sales, that doesnt mean the Z per say is a cult car. It just means those two car models sell like hot cakes, and have been around forever. Those cars also have a much wider range of use then the Z. And if we compare the Camaro and Mustang combined, against many cars they would be considered a cult.

I consider a cult following to be of a car that is somewhat rare, maybe sold in low numbers or many have been since destroyed, and is followed because of a hard to find nature, or a quarkyness. The Z does not have these qualities. Its rather inexpensive for the performance offered, I could go buy one right now used or new without even trying to find one. There is a large aftermarket for it.

I think it may have been a cult at the start, but I think it has out grown this.

Scarface is a cult movie. I can buy a copy right now. That's not the exact meaning. There's no difficulty of attainability of cult cars. cult is, as I said. A small following of die hard fans. Cult followings are usually geared to a certain type of person, vs something that appeals to the masses. Purchasing a Z does NOT appeal to the masses.
No matter how many people may like the Z. Many opt out of purchase for american muscle or german GT's. That said. The Z only appeals to a certain type of person. ie cult. Your definition of cult is muttled with the "exclusive" and "rare car" definitions. Cult is something else.

DEFINITION: A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific area of culture.

I would describe most Z enthusiasts as such.
Lasty, corvettes have been around 6 decades and they still have a cult following. as popular as they are. I consider vettes. cult cars based on the definition of cult. Based on it sells in domestically low volumes for a sports car, most purchases are from heritage/culture educated owners and a good ratio of owners are involved in some type of corvette social activity. like many Z owners. Corvette won't ever sell in high volumes to the masses. And it's more than a niche car based on the type of people who buy them.

Evo and STi also have a cult following.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2013, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

A friend of mine has a Delorian... that is deff a cult car.

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He also has a 79 Land Rover Defender...

That is a rare, cult and right now an exclusive car. It hits all three.

mick · 04-02-2013, 02:58 PM

In the Top Gear show where they tested the Camaro, Jeremy Clarkson said, it's a car driven by serial killers :-O

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Scarface is a cult movie. I can buy a copy right now. That's not the exact meaning. There's no difficulty of attainability of cult cars. cult is, as I said. A small following of die hard fans. Cult followings are usually geared to a certain type of person, vs something that appeals to the masses. Purchasing a Z does NOT appeal to the masses.
No matter how many people may like the Z. Many opt out of purchase for american muscle or german GT's. That said. The Z only appeals to a certain type of person. ie cult. Your definition of cult is muttled with the "exclusive" and "rare car" definitions. Cult is something else.

DEFINITION: A cult following is a group of fans who are highly dedicated to a specific area of culture.

I would describe most Z enthusiasts as such.
Lasty, corvettes have been around 6 decades and they still have a cult following. as popular as they are. I consider vettes. cult cars based on the definition of cult. Based on it sells in domestically low volumes for a sports car, most purchases are from heritage/culture educated owners and a good ratio of owners are involved in some type of corvette social activity. like many Z owners. Corvette won't ever sell in high volumes to the masses. And it's more than a niche car based on the type of people who buy them.

Evo and STi also have a cult following.

I think our difference in definition is based on the amount of people required for it to be considered a cult. I dont think the Z fan base is small enough for that as it has been growing over the years, and is more in the mainstream now. This scenario leaves every other sports car on the market open to the term of cult following with the exception of the Mustang and Camaro.

The Delorian is not exclusive, it is rare, but one does not have to jump through hoops to obtain it, and it is not very expensive. It is a cult because few desire it, and have a passion for it. The Z crowd by comparison is massive, maybe not the size of the Mustang group, but I wouldnt consider it small by any means.

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 03:13 PM

You could say a cult following is a Z group dedicated to drag racing? or maybe a group of mustang owners dedicated to road course racing? This falls into that specific area of culture you stated, but simply because one wants to mod a Z... i dont think cult would be the word.

I would say those who track and race Miata's are probubly a cult following, but I wouldnt say all the people who mod their miata's fit into that catigory.

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-02-2013, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by StangerGT

I think our difference in definition is based on the amount of people required for it to be considered a cult. I dont think the Z fan base is small enough for that as it has been growing over the years, and is more in the mainstream now. This scenario leaves every other sports car on the market open to the term of cult following with the exception of the Mustang and Camaro.

The Delorian is not exclusive, it is rare, but one does not have to jump through hoops to obtain it, and it is not very expensive. It is a cult because few desire it, and have a passion for it. The Z crowd by comparison is massive, maybe not the size of the Mustang group, but I wouldnt consider it small by any means.

To make your comaprison you are using a in production cult car vs out of production.

I can go back and forth on this all day to explain why the z has a cult following. Why the Z is not a mainstream vehicle in the U.S. as it stands right now. Especially, the Z32 and Z34 are anything but mainstream. But this is not the topic of this thread. So lets agree to disagree.

At least we can all agree there is NOTHING exclusive about a Z.

StangerGT · 04-02-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

To make your comaprison you are using a in production cult car vs out of production.

I can go back and forth on this all day to explain why the z has a cult following. Why the Z is not a mainstream vehicle in the U.S. as it stands right now. Especially, the Z32 and Z34 are anything but mainstream. But this is not the topic of this thread. So lets agree to disagree.

At least we can all agree there is NOTHING exclusive about a Z.

lolz agreed

03-31-2013, 05:52 PM	#78 (permalink)
mick Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 903 Drives: Used to drive a 370z Rep Power: 16	I think only guys who are into driving the car at the track would love this car. The Z28 pretty much has no options, like a race car, compared to lesser Camaro models. For that reason, even if I could afford it, I would not consider. __________________ 2013 Chevy Camaro 2SS LS3 2013 Subaru WRX Limited Sedan 2013 VW Beetle 2.5L

04-02-2013, 11:08 AM	#83 (permalink)
StangerGT Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MD Posts: 294 Drives: 2003 Mustang GT Rep Power: 13	A friend of mine has a Delorian... that is deff a cult car. EDIT: He also has a 79 Land Rover Defender... m4a1mustang likes this. __________________ Maximum Motorsports Susp. \| MM Adj. Rear LCA \| MM CC Plates \| MM Front Coilovers 350lb \| MM Rear 500lb Springs \| Full Cobra Brakes \| FR 3.73 Gears \| FR LSD/31 Spline \| JPC/SCT Tune \| MGW Short Shifter \| Star Spec 265/35/18x9 F - 275/35/18x10 R \| stock exhaust lolz Last edited by StangerGT; 04-02-2013 at 11:24 AM.

04-02-2013, 02:58 PM	#86 (permalink)
mick Track Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: California Posts: 903 Drives: Used to drive a 370z Rep Power: 16	In the Top Gear show where they tested the Camaro, Jeremy Clarkson said, it's a car driven by serial killers :-O __________________ 2013 Chevy Camaro 2SS LS3 2013 Subaru WRX Limited Sedan 2013 VW Beetle 2.5L

04-02-2013, 03:13 PM	#88 (permalink)
StangerGT Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: MD Posts: 294 Drives: 2003 Mustang GT Rep Power: 13	You could say a cult following is a Z group dedicated to drag racing? or maybe a group of mustang owners dedicated to road course racing? This falls into that specific area of culture you stated, but simply because one wants to mod a Z... i dont think cult would be the word. I would say those who track and race Miata's are probubly a cult following, but I wouldnt say all the people who mod their miata's fit into that catigory. __________________ Maximum Motorsports Susp. \| MM Adj. Rear LCA \| MM CC Plates \| MM Front Coilovers 350lb \| MM Rear 500lb Springs \| Full Cobra Brakes \| FR 3.73 Gears \| FR LSD/31 Spline \| JPC/SCT Tune \| MGW Short Shifter \| Star Spec 265/35/18x9 F - 275/35/18x10 R \| stock exhaust lolz

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asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 13	For sure. Z28 is a great move. I'm really digging the actual performance focus, and, from my perspective at least, cheeky nods to it, like a one speaker radio lols. Tapatalk2 ...

03-31-2013, 04:51 PM	#77 (permalink)
asdfsammich Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 456 Drives: 09 370Z SR MT Rep Power: 13	As far as all those fluffy posts about rare, exclusive etc ... not sure I dig the Z the categorized as a cult thing. Been watching too much "The Following" lately and those people are freaking nuts. How about seeing the Z as excluded from the set of cars that have direct competition that influence kick arse development, and lets say that set is only Mustang/Camaro. Yep, I'd rather drink that koolaid lols. All semantics though, i.e. a different load. Tapatalk2 ...