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UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2013 08:51 AM

2014 chevy ss
 
Chevy's first V8 4 door sport sedan in over 17 years. It's amazing how chevy keeps coming through with affordable performance, over and over again, over the last two years. Fun to drive, efficient, nicely styled, quality american cars. They keep getting overlooked, but Chevy has always been, somewhat of a sleeper brand as was the old pontiac.

Chevy SS Sports Sedan: An All-New Performance Sedan | Chevrolet

m4a1mustang 03-27-2013 08:55 AM

Saw it in person when I was at Daytona in February. It's a good looking car.

kenchan 03-27-2013 08:59 AM

it's like the new sti-gtr-fordwatever mix.

Spikuh 03-27-2013 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kenchan (Post 2235841)
it's like the new sti-gtr-fordwatever mix.

I see some Veloster Turbo in the front bumper as well.

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2013 09:13 AM

The new corvette and this Chevy do show some nissan borrowing. A lot of cars have been showing some nissan brrowing, especially from the GT-R. but you can't ignore an affordable v8 sports sedan. Chevy is picking up where the G8 left off. The G8 @ $35,000 was one hell of a machine. It put a hurting on the M5 for half the price.

The end of pontiac killed two entries with potential. The pontiac solstice. The pro was it had an untra-responsive engine with matching transmission. The down was numb steering and un-sports suspension. Nothing that KW couldn't fix but, it should have been better stock. If that car was able to evolve to the year 2013 and get these brand new GM sports suspensions. The solstice I think would be a hit today.

The ressurection of the G8 through the SS. I think is a breakthrough for v8, domestic autosports. To bring back a piece of our recent past that could've easily been left buried based on the economic/gas crisis.
The G8 was GM's first come back car, along with the GTO. These were the first two cars I respected in GM since the 92 camaro and 96 impala. This is great news imho, in spite of some resemblences to the GT-R that at least four other companies are guilty of.

Mannysrt8 03-27-2013 10:32 AM

Looks like an Impala,Malibu

ImportConvert 03-27-2013 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2235829)
Chevy's first V8 4 door sport sedan in over 17 years. It's amazing how chevy keeps coming through with affordable performance, over and over again, over the last two years. Fun to drive, efficient, nicely styled, quality american cars. They keep getting overlooked, but Chevy has always been, somewhat of a sleeper brand as was the old pontiac.

Chevy SS Sports Sedan: An All-New Performance Sedan | Chevrolet

That's because they stuck with a simple, rewarding formula: V8, large displacement for block size, cam-in-block designs.

My 427ci Z06 still got way better mileage than my 370Z gets. 500+ hp, too, out of an engine that weighs only around 450# intake to pan. Take a look at the G8, and other cars that use the LS series, and you will find them very heavy on power and light on gas. Ford screwed up until the Coyote came out in 2011YM cars. Noone else was even close, with LS1 late 90's vehicles mopping the floor with anything under $60K MSRP until here just recently.

Now GM has figured out competent suspensions, as well, and is setting 'Ring lap records, etc.

Recently evidenced, they are beginning to understand that people occupy the INSIDE of a vehicle!

Say what you want, but I own part of GM as an American Tax Payer, and whether I ever own another one or not, I damn well want them to succeed and make money hand over fist---because I paid into that company, and I want them to feed the economy and not squander it!

ImportConvert 03-27-2013 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2235856)
The new corvette and this Chevy do show some nissan borrowing. A lot of cars have been showing some nissan brrowing, especially from the GT-R. but you can't ignore an affordable v8 sports sedan. Chevy is picking up where the G8 left off. The G8 @ $35,000 was one hell of a machine. It put a hurting on the M5 for half the price.

GT-R engine technology came from Ford. Lets not point fingers.

The end of pontiac killed two entries with potential. The pontiac solstice. The pro was it had an untra-responsive engine with matching transmission. The down was numb steering and un-sports suspension. Nothing that KW couldn't fix but, it should have been better stock. If that car was able to evolve to the year 2013 and get these brand new GM sports suspensions. The solstice I think would be a hit today.

I think the G8 was the biggest loss, as you noted above. Total American M5 for a dime on the dollar. Nothing else like it existed in that bracket.

The ressurection of the G8 through the SS. I think is a breakthrough for v8, domestic autosports. To bring back a piece of our recent past that could've easily been left buried based on the economic/gas crisis.
The G8 was GM's first come back car, along with the GTO. These were the first two cars I respected in GM since the 92 camaro and 96 impala. This is great news imho, in spite of some resemblences to the GT-R that at least four other companies are guilty of.

What do I really want? Really? A Chevelle SS. Make it big. Make it heavy. Make it powerful like the hand of an angry god. Make it everything the Chevelle was, and then refine it for today. It may not handle like a 'vette, and it may not sip gas like a Cruze, and it won't matter a damn.

Cmike2780 03-27-2013 12:14 PM

It's a rebadged Holden VF Commodore SS-V that's been shown for some time now.

...the HSV variants pretty sick.

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2013 01:10 PM

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370
The new corvette and this Chevy do show some nissan borrowing. A lot of cars have been showing some nissan brrowing, especially from the GT-R. but you can't ignore an affordable v8 sports sedan. Chevy is picking up where the G8 left off. The G8 @ $35,000 was one hell of a machine. It put a hurting on the M5 for half the price.

GT-R engine technology came from Ford. Lets not point fingers.

The end of pontiac killed two entries with potential. The pontiac solstice. The pro was it had an untra-responsive engine with matching transmission. The down was numb steering and un-sports suspension. Nothing that KW couldn't fix but, it should have been better stock. If that car was able to evolve to the year 2013 and get these brand new GM sports suspensions. The solstice I think would be a hit today.

I think the G8 was the biggest loss, as you noted above. Total American M5 for a dime on the dollar. Nothing else like it existed in that bracket.

The ressurection of the G8 through the SS. I think is a breakthrough for v8, domestic autosports. To bring back a piece of our recent past that could've easily been left buried based on the economic/gas crisis.
The G8 was GM's first come back car, along with the GTO. These were the first two cars I respected in GM since the 92 camaro and 96 impala. This is great news imho, in spite of some resemblences to the GT-R that at least four other companies are guilty of.

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2236250)
What do I really want? Really? A Chevelle SS. Make it big. Make it heavy. Make it powerful like the hand of an angry god. Make it everything the Chevelle was, and then refine it for today. It may not handle like a 'vette, and it may not sip gas like a Cruze, and it won't matter a damn.

I wasnt pointing fingers. Just stating a fact. You seem to point fingers because 90% of your comments concerning GM is what GM does better than Nissan in spite of the total different direction in philosophy and driving enjoyment. But that's another can of worms I won't engage in.

All i said was a lot of companies have been taking from the GT-R styling. I said is as a fact and was in no way implied as a bash.

Fords patent for engine lining to prevent catastrophic failure is a Huge feat in the motor buiding industry. But don't act like Japan went using schematics from Ford to build a GT-R engine. When it comes to tech patents, Every MAJOR car company has something breakthrough the other will borrow.

http://jalopnik.com/5467038/the-ford...he-nissan-gt+r

Why GM gets better gas mileage?
V8 pushed to its midrange in power.
vs Nissan...
v6 pushed near it's limits without forced induction.

wheee! 03-27-2013 01:22 PM

I'm sorry. That is just another anemic american car. Looks like any other Impala, G8, Malibu out there. Such a lack of inspiration in these designs. I am sure it is a great performer and has nice features but I would NEVER spend a dollar on a car that looked like that....

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2236407)
I'm sorry. That is just another anemic american car. Looks like any other Impala, G8, Malibu out there. Such a lack of inspiration in these designs. I am sure it is a great performer and has nice features but I would NEVER spend a dollar on a car that looked like that....

From a styling standpoint. It's average to me. With a few decent aggressive cues. I'm really praising the performance it brings. These are family sleepers. If you knew what it was like to get your doors blown off by a beat up malibu sedan in the 80's 90's??? You'll understand why this car is so important to GM.

Down the line, this will be that weak looking track car to make you cry when you lose $250-$1,000 at the track.

Cmike2780 03-27-2013 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 2236407)
I'm sorry. That is just another anemic american car. Looks like any other Impala, G8, Malibu out there. Such a lack of inspiration in these designs. I am sure it is a great performer and has nice features but I would NEVER spend a dollar on a car that looked like that....

Like I said, it's basically a rebadged Commodore, a car that has been around since the late 70's, early 80's. The design of this car is rooted from the past models, including the HSV variants, which makes it an Australian design rather than American. This is actually closer to a working man's 5 series, rather than an M5. It shares the same GM Zeta platform as the Camaro. With the Corvette and Camaro in the stable, I really don't see a point to this car.

wheee! 03-27-2013 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370 (Post 2236469)
From a styling standpoint. It's average to me. With a few decent aggressive cues. I'm really praising the performance it brings. These are family sleepers. If you knew what it was like to get your doors blown off by a beat up malibu sedan in the 80's 90's??? You'll understand why this car is so important to GM.

Down the line, this will be that weak looking track car to make you cry when you lose $250-$1,000 at the track.

I remember very well the 'sleeper' cars of the past. HeII I owned a 72 Dodge Polara station wagon that seated 12! I installed a stroked and bored 360 with 340 heads and broke a lot of Trans Am drivers hearts! lol
But back then, everyone had a V8 so I never got 'blown away" by some malibu back in the day. My cruiser was a 68 Ford Falcon Futura with a 289 V8. I held my own....

It just doesn't make a lot of sense to spend all this R&D on an uninspiring box wrapped around a rocking drive train! Bring back the Barracuda....

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2013 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2236503)
Like I said, it's basically a rebadged Commodore, a car that has been around since the late 70's, early 80's. The design of this car is rooted from the past models, including the HSV variants, which makes it an Australian design rather than American. This is actually closer to a working man's 5 series, rather than an M5. It shares the same GM Zeta platform as the Camaro. With the Corvette and Camaro in the stable, I really don't see a point to this car.

I think this article explained it well.

2014 Chevrolet SS performance sedan a statement car for GM, analysts say | MLive.com

"This car is for the family guy who can't convince his wife to buy a corvette". I probably wouldn't buy one either, but having performance oriented cars on a high level makes performance car segment vibrant and competitive. I love the idea of an Affordable Sedan version of a Camaro. It makes every car company keep the realm of having power in cars alive.

As long as chevy does the right thing and build it in realistic numbers. I think it will do well.

Red__Zed 03-27-2013 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2236503)
Like I said, it's basically a rebadged Commodore, a car that has been around since the late 70's, early 80's. The design of this car is rooted from the past models, including the HSV variants, which makes it an Australian design rather than American. This is actually closer to a working man's 5 series, rather than an M5. It shares the same GM Zeta platform as the Camaro. With the Corvette and Camaro in the stable, I really don't see a point to this car.

I do. Four doors.

Cmike2780 03-27-2013 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by red__zed (Post 2236551)
i do. Four doors.

cts-v

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2236565)
cts-v

Not everyone can afford a CTS-V. Like do you guys only think in your own income brackets? lol :ughdance:

Red__Zed 03-27-2013 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780 (Post 2236565)
cts-v

different places, different purposes.


I'll take one of each, please

Cmike2780 03-27-2013 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 2236593)
different places, different purposes.


I'll take one of each, please

That's true. If they price this thing in the mid $30k range as some rumors suggest, it's going to be a performance bargain.

Haboob 03-27-2013 03:23 PM

It's definitely not a bad looking sedan, that's for sure. If I were to ever get married and have kids, she'd have to buy something like this. :p

UNKNOWN_370 03-27-2013 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Haboob (Post 2236642)
It's definitely not a bad looking sedan, that's for sure. If I were to ever get married and have kids, she'd have to buy something like this. :p

:iagree:


It's an average sedan that suprisingly puts it down on the track. And if it comes in the mid $30k's like the old G8 did? It will be a bargain for sure?:tup:

lol1234 03-28-2013 01:28 PM

I loved the GTO and G8. This looks pretty cool.

Jordo! 03-28-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2236244)
That's because they stuck with a simple, rewarding formula: V8, large displacement for block size, cam-in-block designs.

My 427ci Z06 still got way better mileage than my 370Z gets. 500+ hp, too, out of an engine that weighs only around 450# intake to pan. Take a look at the G8, and other cars that use the LS series, and you will find them very heavy on power and light on gas. Ford screwed up until the Coyote came out in 2011YM cars. Noone else was even close, with LS1 late 90's vehicles mopping the floor with anything under $60K MSRP until here just recently.

Now GM has figured out competent suspensions, as well, and is setting 'Ring lap records, etc.

Recently evidenced, they are beginning to understand that people occupy the INSIDE of a vehicle!

Say what you want, but I own part of GM as an American Tax Payer, and whether I ever own another one or not, I damn well want them to succeed and make money hand over fist---because I paid into that company, and I want them to feed the economy and not squander it!

I agree with all of this.

My Secret Wish: GM brings back the Firebird -- screaming chicken and all :driving:

Cmike2780 03-28-2013 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordo! (Post 2238558)
My Secret Wish: GM brings back the Firebird -- screaming chicken and all :driving:

They've had a few "concepts" at SEMA by some resourceful customizers. ....interesting, but it needs to be it's own design and not a face transplant.

ElVee 03-29-2013 11:12 AM

I like that article posted about the niche market for the SS. I'd have to agree with that. It's interesting, but the problem (as others have brought up) is that it looks as boring as any other car on the road. Sure it can be a sleeper performer, but it's just unfortunate it doesn't look prettier. No one's going to fap to this other than those who are stuck with this as their best option (family hauler).

Then again, if it did look better, why have the other cars in the stable?

It does, though, provide for a nice fleet car.

ImportConvert 03-29-2013 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ElVee (Post 2240285)
I like that article posted about the niche market for the SS. I'd have to agree with that. It's interesting, but the problem (as others have brought up) is that it looks as boring as any other car on the road. Sure it can be a sleeper performer, but it's just unfortunate it doesn't look prettier. No one's going to fap to this other than those who are stuck with this as their best option (family hauler).

Then again, if it did look better, why have the other cars in the stable?

It does, though, provide for a nice fleet car.

Everyone is missing the obvious fact that Chevrolet lost a lot of the police market back in the 90's when they killed their Caprice/Impala SS. They have been trying to get it back ever since, and recently have been making serious progress on that front.

gsxr750 03-29-2013 06:05 PM

get rid of the chevy emblem and it may not look bad, overall its pretty plan

UNKNOWN_370 03-30-2013 08:04 AM

I see this being a HIT with the police.

m4a1mustang 03-30-2013 08:06 AM

The police have the Caprice.

http://www.gmfleet.com/police/chevy-...atrol-car.html

6.0l V8 is an option.

shadoquad 03-30-2013 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert (Post 2240924)
Everyone is missing the obvious fact that Chevrolet lost a lot of the police market back in the 90's when they killed their Caprice/Impala SS. They have been trying to get it back ever since, and recently have been making serious progress on that front.

A friend of mine back in '96 or so was a police officer. He said he loved that Caprice and really disliked the Crown Vic they replaced it with.

ImportConvert 03-30-2013 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad (Post 2241579)
A friend of mine back in '96 or so was a police officer. He said he loved that Caprice and really disliked the Crown Vic they replaced it with.

The LT1 was a great engine for it's time and had boat-loads of torque compared to Ford's SOHC 4.6L, further, the 9C1 had a much more capable suspension than the Crown Vic, IMO. The transmission in the Caprice was also much better. All-in-all, much better car.


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