The Infiniti Q60

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-13-2013, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

Didn't realize they made transmissions with actual gears. That's cool. Props to them. That means it could go either way - CVT or 7AT or 13AT. Given Nissan's recent track record of sticking a CVT in everything, it wouldn't surprise me if that's what ends up in this car, hence the argument. I don't care how advanced the CVT is - it makes for a dull, boring, unengaging, and uneventful driving experience. I have owned one and driven it, so I'm qualified to form that opinion. When you discount the shotty reliability record of the Jatco CVT unit in general, they're great if all you want in a car is a people mover. That's not what the Z is, and that's not what the Q60 should be, either.

On the topic of all this factually opinionated stuff, I'll inject this - Borg Warner makes the transmission in the GT-R. I consider that to be an "advanced" automatic transmission. What Jatco is doing with the 7AT is simply improving upon a formula that has existed for 60+ years. They did a good job. What they did not do is reinvent the automatic transmission for a sports car.

I'm looking at this Q60 turd for what it is - a boring, non-innovative, entry level luxury car that will not outsell a CTS Coupe, a BMW 4-series, or an Audi A5. When the sales numbers are published next year, I'll let you dwell on those facts.

I have been a Nissan enthusiast for a long time. I talked with the Senior Marketing Manager to the Maxima, 370Z, and GT-R programs yesterday on a live chat. His name is Carl Phillips. The guy was about as excited and enthusiastic about these cars as I am about buying a Toyota Prius for autocrossing. That's who is in charge of the future design and marketing for Nissan's flagship products and the Q60 and the inevitable future turds like it are what we can expect from the company who employs people like Carl Phillips to be in charge of these products.

At this rate, companies like Ford could release a fencepost with four wheels and an SVT badge and generate more interest than Nissan is able to do with an entire brand with actual cars. And no, don't throw the GT-R in my face as the exception to that rule. The GT-R further fuels my argument in that it is the shining, living example of what Nissan can do at its maximum potential, and they choose not to do anything above what is necessary for any of its vehicles that are made for regular people, i.e. those that can't afford GT-Rs.

You view that as being negative - I view that as being realistic.

A dual clutch transmission is not an advanced automatic transmission. It's a Dual clutch transmission. I don't suck ford C@ck and I don't behind the GT-R to prove shyt. I talk about the factual goings on behind a company and not the rantified biases of one self loathing their vehicle.

There has never been a Z with a CVT and their wont be, There has never BEEN an infinti with a CVT either. Unless there's a passenger car for utlility I don't see that happening.
I've have had borth Altima 2.5 and 2.5 in CVT guise. 3.5 the Altima was too powerful to call it boring, even with a CVT. DRM simulation on the 3.5 also helped. BUT when we are talking 2.5? Yes, the altima was completely dul.

Reliability has improved and CVT transmissions have a separate 10year 120,000 mile warranty. The average car owner trades at 75,000 and 5 years. So that ends that. This CVT rant on the infiniti thread is stupid considering CVT has NEVER been placed in an infiniti.

Now to infiniti. Those photos are shops and we still don't really know how they will look. Unfortunately they were posted online as the real deal but weren't.

As it stands right now. The infiniti G37 is considered a sportier and more engaging drive than the 3 series. The Current 3 series sedans for 2013 have degraded down to a mindless driving experience according to reviews and have been demolished by the competition. Cadillac ATS.

Infiniti has the redbull racing team tuning the infiniti. You may not like the design. But I will put money on the fact that the Q50 sedan will demolish the bimmer and the race for power will be between the ATS and Q50.

The Infiniti Q50 - Dynamic Evaluation - YouTube

If you don't like the Q50 or the unseen Q60? More power to you. But things you're bringing up have nothing to do with this car in its functionality. BYTHE WAYa Dual clutch on hand for the Q50 3.5 hybrid, NOT a CVT

ZBro16 · 03-13-2013, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

A dual clutch transmission is not an advanced automatic transmission. It's a Dual clutch transmission.

Dude, paint it however you want. It shifts gears by itself unless you move a switch and enable paddles. As far as the driver is concerned, the operation is no different than a 370Z 7AT. It IS an advanced evolution of the automatic transmission. There aren't three pedals and a driver is not required to select gears. It is optional.

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I don't suck ford C@ck and I don't behind the GT-R to prove shyt.

I don't either. I can, however, recognize success where success is due.

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I talk about the factual goings on behind a company and not the rantified biases of one self loathing their vehicle.

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The infiniti G37 is considered a sportier and more engaging drive than the 3 series.

That sounds less factual and more opinionated.

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There has never BEEN an infinti with a CVT either. Unless there's a passenger car for utlility I don't see that happening... This CVT rant on the infiniti thread is stupid considering CVT has NEVER been placed in an infiniti.

I take it you've never heard of the JX35 then? Which is, by the way, the first clean sheet vehicle Infiniti put out since Nissan heavily adopted the CVT in MY2008.

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Infiniti has the redbull racing team tuning the infiniti. You may not like the design. But I will put money on the fact that the Q50 sedan will demolish the bimmer and the race for power will be between the ATS and Q50.

Not with the same powertrain in the current G37s, it's not. And guess what - that's the only confirmed engine in the car besides the "in the works" hybrid.

I'll tell you what... I'll leave you to

from Nissan's and you can leave me to my own educated opinions regarding NNA's approach to "reinvigorating" its product portfolio.

For future reference, abstain from posting a news scoop on a product if you're scared of the opinions it might generate... on a form of social media that is designed to discuss opinions.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-13-2013, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

Dude, paint it however you want. It shifts gears by itself unless you move a switch and enable paddles. As far as the driver is concerned, the operation is no different than a 370Z 7AT. It IS an advanced evolution of the automatic transmission. There aren't three pedals and a driver is not required to select gears. It is optional.

I don't either. I can, however, recognize success where success is due.

That sounds less factual and more opinionated.

I take it you've never heard of the JX35 then? Which is, by the way, the first clean sheet vehicle Infiniti put out since Nissan heavily adopted the CVT in MY2008.

Not with the same powertrain in the current G37s, it's not. And guess what - that's the only confirmed engine in the car besides the "in the works" hybrid.

I'll tell you what... I'll leave you to

from Nissan's and you can leave me to my own educated opinions regarding NNA's approach to "reinvigorating" its product portfolio.

For future reference, abstain from posting a news scoop on a product if you're scared of the opinions it might generate... on a form of social media that is designed to discuss opinions.

1. As stated. I said if Infiniti ever used the CVT on a vehicle it would be a passenger vehicle. the Jx is NOT made for any kind of performance driving.
Do you consider the JX performance? Cuz if you do? I'd like to sell you my Winnebego sport? It's got all the sporty bells and whistles...

BMW opinions were made by many reviewers since 2008. though the M series holds it's title. The standard 3 series has marginally inferior performance to the G37s but the 3 series is agreed by most reviewers to have better interior.

The only advertised engines for the Q50 is the 3.5 hybrid and 3.7DI on the infiniti website so where do you get it's just a possible development? Cars.com has it listed from the auto show to have two engine options coming this summer. Thats a little soon for development???? lol. I call BS on that development shyt.

2014 Infiniti Q50, Q50 Hybrid at the 2013 Detroit Auto Show - KickingTires

I recognize ford as having made some good strides over the last 3 years. i acknowledge the CVT in the juke as a disappointment. no word on the sentra SE-R is kinda unnerving and I would like to see more in terms of what can be done with the hatchback version of the versa. Nissan has neglected that.

I cant really swing on nissans

when you're swing so hard on mine... lol

As far as the 7AT, you started off thinking the Z had a CVT... lol
The 7At shifts in 300 milliseconds. A feat for a slushbox and SRM was invented on the G37 automatic known as downshift rev-matching. You can hate all day. I've test driven or rented most cars under $50k. I know this much.
2.The Z is still a viable entry in the sports arena..
3. Put a Nissan vehicle up in the air and you will find more high quality components than MOST SUB-PREMIUM car brands. INCLUDING FORD. I know where money goes into with Nissan. And im very familiar with ford. While ford builds an excellent product. In overall quality. Nissan still supercedes ford.

ZBro16 · 03-13-2013, 08:10 PM

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1. As stated. I said if Infiniti ever used the CVT on a vehicle it would be a passenger vehicle. the Jx is NOT made for any kind of performance driving.
Do you consider the JX performance? Cuz if you do? I'd like to sell you my Winnebego sport? It's got all the sporty bells and whistles...

Scroll up. You said in gigantic bold letters that Infiniti never used a CVT in anything. I presented the JX35. Don't try and spin it like you meant something else. You were proven wrong.

If you're selling anything, I might be interested in trading you my Mazdaspeed3 for your prop plane, but I get the idea that maybe you can't drive stick.

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BMW opinions were made by many reviewers since 2008. though the M series holds it's title. The standard 3 series has marginally inferior performance to the G37s but the 3 series is agreed by most reviewers to have better interior.

How is this relevant to the argument again? Also - study up on product lineups a bit dude. The standard 3 series is a 328 - which is not paired against the G37, it's paired against the G25. The 335 is paired against the G37, and having driven both, the 335 is the better car. But my opinion doesn't matter, the sales figures do, and neither G is outselling its BMW counterpart.

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As far as the 7AT, you started off thinking the Z had a CVT... lol
The 7At shifts in 300 milliseconds. A feat for a slushbox and SRM was invented on the G37 automatic known as downshift rev-matching. You can hate all day. I've test driven or rented most cars under $50k. I know this much.

FYI - I never said I thought the Z had a CVT. I said I didn't realize JATCO was the manufacturer for the 7AT in the Z. Their name gets thrown around a lot where I work because of the abundant transmission failures in CVT powered Nissans across the board. Nissan had to add a warranty to the CVT to retain customers and not scare off potential new ones. Sure they've improved it, but they'll still never be an option in my book. I will never buy another car with one in it.

Also - Downshift Rev Matching and Synchro Rev Match are two different things - SRM works on up and downshift and was NOT invented on any automatic transmission. And you're off by 200 milliseconds. Or did you upgrade yours to a dual-clutch?

BTW - you missed the JX35 on all those test drives you've taken. Your local Infiniti dealer misses you.

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The Z is still a viable entry in the sports arena..

Agreed, but Nissan needs to step it up because their competition definitely has.

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I cant really swing on nissans

when you're swing so hard on mine... lol

Go home. You're drunk.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-14-2013, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

Scroll up. You said in gigantic bold letters that Infiniti never used a CVT in anything. I presented the JX35. Don't try and spin it like you meant something else. You were proven wrong.

If you're selling anything, I might be interested in trading you my Mazdaspeed3 for your prop plane, but I get the idea that maybe you can't drive stick.

How is this relevant to the argument again? Also - study up on product lineups a bit dude. The standard 3 series is a 328 - which is not paired against the G37, it's paired against the G25. The 335 is paired against the G37, and having driven both, the 335 is the better car. But my opinion doesn't matter, the sales figures do, and neither G is outselling its BMW counterpart.

FYI - I never said I thought the Z had a CVT. I said I didn't realize JATCO was the manufacturer for the 7AT in the Z. Their name gets thrown around a lot where I work because of the abundant transmission failures in CVT powered Nissans across the board. Nissan had to add a warranty to the CVT to retain customers and not scare off potential new ones. Sure they've improved it, but they'll still never be an option in my book. I will never buy another car with one in it.

Also - Downshift Rev Matching and Synchro Rev Match are two different things - SRM works on up and downshift and was NOT invented on any automatic transmission. And you're off by 200 milliseconds. Or did you upgrade yours to a dual-clutch?

BTW - you missed the JX35 on all those test drives you've taken. Your local Infiniti dealer misses you.

Agreed, but Nissan needs to step it up because their competition definitely has.

Go home. You're drunk.

Let's condense this BS down to brass tax. I'm not turnoin' shyt around.

QUOTE FROM PREVIOUS POST
"There has never been a Z with a CVT and their wont be, There has never BEEN an infinti with a CVT either. Unless there's a passenger car for utlility I don't see that happening.*
I've have had borth Altima 2.5 and 2.5 in CVT guise. 3.5 the Altima was too powerful to call it boring, even with a CVT. DRM simulation on the 3.5 also helped. BUT when we are talking 2.5? Yes, the altima was completely dul."

I didn't even think about the JX. I forgot it existed. But bringing up the Jx35 as a symbol of Infiniti failing in the performance sector. Is like me bringing up the Nissan Murano or your favorite company, The Ford edge... What does, A have to do with B.

My TRUE point is the Q50 may not be a popular design right now, But I highly doubt it will not perform well. You claimed early on which started this discussion that they'll probably throw CVT in the Q50. I mentioned the hybrid is being tested with DCT.

You're saying it's a possiblity that the hybrid will come out. I'm saying Infiniti is advertising it as coming out.

You're saying the BMW 3 series has more performance. As it stands right now that's not the case unless you're talking about the 1M and M3.

I don't want your Mazda. I hate torque steer...

Yes, I know how to drive manual. I learned on a ae86 and owned a FD. I have an experience with my FD mods that most can only dream of actually having done. Thanks to mechanic/race car driving family back home that worked on my FD back in the 90's. But thanks for your concern on my knowledge of manual.

So basically, I talked about infiniti not remembering the JX
You talked about jatco not knowing about the 7AT origin.

BS over.

bigsix · 03-14-2013, 12:47 PM

I think the Q50 is a very handsome design. A good idea to keep the 3.7 liter displacement.

I would love to drive one and compare it to the new Lexus IS, then the Teutonic trio (c class, 3 series, A4).
I really liked driving the prev. gen. IS250 AWD, maybe more so than even the 328xi.
It's kind\a funny-ironic how the chief engineer of the new IS, Mr. Furuyama, talks about 'measuring' and 'focusing' on FUN TO DRIVE as key to building the new car... when "fun to drive" is not quantifiable nor measurable, really. I guess that kind of mindset is reflected in the cars Lexus builds. 5 5 .

bigsix · 03-14-2013, 12:49 PM

I'd definitely give the Cadillac ATS a try at ownership. Why not support our own domestic car industry, design, and engineering, ya kno ? ? . '

ZBro16 · 03-18-2013, 09:41 AM

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Let's condense this BS down to brass tax. I'm not turnoin' shyt around.

lol. Edit that a couple more times. You almost got every word spelled correctly.

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QUOTE FROM PREVIOUS POST

You don't need to quote and reword the stuff you already posted - it's already there for people to read. Which, unless you edit your stuff and spin it around, speaks for itself.

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I didn't even think about the JX. I forgot it existed. But bringing up the Jx35 as a symbol of Infiniti failing in the performance sector. Is like me bringing up the Nissan Murano or your favorite company, The Ford edge... What does, A have to do with B.

Go google the word "quantifiers". Then go back and reread your original post. You're reaching too far - I hope you stretched beforehand. Wouldn't want you to pull anything.

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You're saying the BMW 3 series has more performance. As it stands right now that's not the case unless you're talking about the 1M and M3.

PLEASE show me some hard numbers. PLEASE. Find me a comparison article from Edmunds, Motor Trend, Road and Track. PLEASE.

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I don't want your Mazda. I hate torque steer...

My condolences. I hear vaginitis is really tough to deal with on a daily basis.

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Yes, I know how to drive manual. I learned on a ae86 and owned a FD. I have an experience with my FD mods that most can only dream of actually having done. Thanks to mechanic/race car driving family back home that worked on my FD back in the 90's. But thanks for your concern on my knowledge of manual.

MAN I was so excited when Initial D made it to Netflix Instant.

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So basically, I talked about infiniti not remembering the JX
You talked about jatco not knowing about the 7AT origin.

BS over.

Your reading comprehension is ABYSMAL. Feel free to google that word too.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-19-2013, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

lol. Edit that a couple more times. You almost got every word spelled correctly.

You don't need to quote and reword the stuff you already posted - it's already there for people to read. Which, unless you edit your stuff and spin it around, speaks for itself.

Go google the word "quantifiers". Then go back and reread your original post. You're reaching too far - I hope you stretched beforehand. Wouldn't want you to pull anything.

PLEASE show me some hard numbers. PLEASE. Find me a comparison article from Edmunds, Motor Trend, Road and Track. PLEASE.

My condolences. I hear vaginitis is really tough to deal with on a daily basis.

MAN I was so excited when Initial D made it to Netflix Instant.

Your reading comprehension is ABYSMAL. Feel free to google that word too.

You should get into politics because you say so much without saying a Gotdamn thing...

Here's your limp mode bimmer.

2008 Infiniti G37 vs 2007 BMW 335i - Head to Head - Motor Trend

G37 Vs. 335i - Infiniti and BMW Face Off At The Track! Pt. 1 - YouTube

G37 Vs. 335i - Infiniti and BMW Face Off At The Track! Pt. 2 - YouTube

Here your links... As always i provide proof while a-holes just talk shyt. You have so much to say and NOTHING TO PROVE YOUR DEBATES.

In this C&D article the BMW328i won, but the G37s sedan destroyed the BMW in almost all track proven tests. BMW won for quality. Our debate here is if infiniti makes a less performing car than BMW. Well that didn't happen here. The G37 cost was equal to the 328 as well. Of course, C&D shows bimmer bias when bimmer loses in performance, but BMW won for gotta have a german car factor... Classic Catr and driver BS.

http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...7-sport-page-4

You can find the other two yourself.

Lastly, you can debate this topic in the right thread.

BMW 335i VS. INFINITI G37S

I'm done with you man. You're a smart guy. So smart you say dumb shyt. You can keep posting, but you will be talkng to yourself . You got your links now... eat em. Good day.

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bigsix A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,227 Drives: Honda City/Mazda 2 Rep Power: 19	I think the Q50 is a very handsome design. A good idea to keep the 3.7 liter displacement. I would love to drive one and compare it to the new Lexus IS, then the Teutonic trio (c class, 3 series, A4). I really liked driving the prev. gen. IS250 AWD, maybe more so than even the 328xi. It's kind\a funny-ironic how the chief engineer of the new IS, Mr. Furuyama, talks about 'measuring' and 'focusing' on FUN TO DRIVE as key to building the new car... when "fun to drive" is not quantifiable nor measurable, really. I guess that kind of mindset is reflected in the cars Lexus builds. 5 5 .

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bigsix A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Thailand Posts: 2,227 Drives: Honda City/Mazda 2 Rep Power: 19	I'd definitely give the Cadillac ATS a try at ownership. Why not support our own domestic car industry, design, and engineering, ya kno ? ? . '