FWD BRZ Fighter? Thoughts for Nissan Lovers!

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-22-2013, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

Did you watch the video?

"The truth is, the Civic has way stickier tires, and if all things were equal the BRZ would be 2 or 3 seconds faster."

And before you say "but they are the tires it comes with!" -- well, not quite. The thing about the HFP package is that it comes with the wheels, the tire choice is entirely up to you and costs extra. Likewise, it isn't a cheap "package" either.

2013 Honda Civic Si Coupe HFP - Official Honda Website

Read the fine print:

Replacement tires required. Yokohama AVID W4S Ultra High Performance All-Season tires (215/40R18) are recommended but not included in the HFP package.

Also -- on Subaru's AWD system. It's actually a very basic system, way less advanced than most of 'em out there. But that's also why it is so good -- simplicity is good sometimes.

The reviews of this thing being fast in the corners is with stock tires. I understand what you're saying but. If this car was so great with stock tires. Supposedly you can drive this car into corners while pushing the limit with ease, on stock tires... It should be able to beat a civicWITH MASSIVE UNDERSTEER on a track even with better tires... The civic still lacks the balance and low COG perfect for corner cutting.

This car gets too much hype. Period.

I'd rather get a car with a strong engine and good handling and build up my suspension, than have a slow azz car with a average suspension, that is so light it gives the illusion of excellent handling.

Subie's system isnt advanced? Kool... It still the best system in a $25,000 car.

nuTinmuch · 03-22-2013, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The reviews of this thing being fast in the corners is with stock tires. I understand what you're saying but. If this car was so great with stock tires. Supposedly you can drive this car into corners while pushing the limit with ease, on stock tires... It should be able to beat a civicWITH MASSIVE UNDERSTEER on a track even with better tires... The civic still lacks the balance and low COG perfect for corner cutting.

This car gets too much hype. Period.

I'd rather get a car with a strong engine and good handling and build up my suspension, than have a slow azz car with a average suspension, that is so light it gives the illusion of excellent handling.

Subie's system isnt advanced? Kool... It still the best system in a $25,000 car.

The car gets a lot of hype because it is good. Basically every journalist disagrees with you.

The car is "good" on stock tires because it is fun on stock tires. They picked them so you could easily (and safely) get the rear tires loose, not because they're good for lap times.

Everyone already knows that one test R&T did with the FR-S, though, which showed this perfectly. When they stuck equal summer rubber on the FR-S it was faster than the WRX and the MS3.

Now, by all means, ride the WRX into the moon for all I care. I'll likely be switching into a WRX or a ST later this year for practicality's sake.

But based on what I've seen, if performance was the only thing I was interested in I'd pick up a BRZ and go to town in aftermarket land.

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What's out there for $25k that's equal or better?

The system Subaru uses is very basic from a technological standpoint. I'm not saying it isn't good -- quite the opposite, if you read my last post -- I'm just saying that it isn't advanced, which was what the post I was replying to was saying.

The simplicity of the system is why it is good.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-22-2013, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

The car gets a lot of hype because it is good. Basically every journalist disagrees with you.

The car is "good" on stock tires because it is fun on stock tires. They picked them so you could easily (and safely) get the rear tires loose, not because they're good for lap times.

Everyone already knows that one test R&T did with the FR-S, though, which showed this perfectly. When they stuck equal summer rubber on the FR-S it was faster than the WRX and the MS3.

Now, by all means, ride the WRX into the moon for all I care. I'll likely be switching into a WRX or a ST later this year for practicality's sake.

But based on what I've seen, if performance was the only thing I was interested in I'd pick up a BRZ and go to town in aftermarket land.

The system Subaru uses is very basic from a technological standpoint. I'm not saying it isn't good -- quite the opposite, if you read my last post -- I'm just saying that it isn't advanced, which was what the post I was replying to was saying.

The simplicity of the system is why it is good.

You can do 100 write ups worshipping the BRZ. But... I'm not falling into the corporate sponsored hype. Sure the BRZ/FRS is a fun car to drive "when pushed to the limit". A lightweight properly geared low hp is always fun to drive. I can get the same experience from a used $2500 econobox from the 80's. prelude, CRX, Rx-7, RWD corolla, celica etc... At $30k for a nicely featured 16 second car? I'd rather take the R-spec 2.0T and replace the whole suspension piece by piece

For a cool romp to work? Yeah i'll take one. To spend $10k in mods and the car still be slower than my stock $34k Z? When $2,000 in suspension mods makes the Z pretty damn capable? I'll stick with the Z.. Shed 200lbs off the Z and i'm good to go.

Shamu · 03-22-2013, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You can do 100 write ups worshipping the BRZ. But... I'm not falling into the corporate sponsored hype. Sure the BRZ/FRS is a fun car to drive "when pushed to the limit". A lightweight properly geared low hp is always fun to drive. I can get the same experience from a used $2500 econobox from the 80's. prelude, CRX, Rx-7, RWD corolla, celica etc... At $30k for a nicely featured 16 second car? I'd rather take the R-spec 2.0T and replace the whole suspension piece by piece

For a cool romp to work? Yeah i'll take one. To spend $10k in mods and the car still be slower than my stock $34k Z? When $2,000 in suspension mods makes the Z pretty damn capable? I'll stick with the Z.. Shed 200lbs off the Z and i'm good to go.

Hey for $26k you can have a TRD supercharger kit that requires you to do your own tune.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...9&d=1363717992

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-23-2013, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Hey for $26k you can have a TRD supercharger kit that requires you to do your own tune.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...9&d=1363717992

The link isn't working for me... So you're saying the supercharger costs as much as the car??? Without a tune??? lmfao.

Red__Zed · 03-23-2013, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The link isn't working for me... So you're saying the supercharger costs as much as the car??? Without a tune??? lmfao.

It's a racing kit.

Shamu · 03-23-2013, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The link isn't working for me... So you're saying the supercharger costs as much as the car??? Without a tune??? lmfao.

March 1, 2013
To: Toyota Parts, Sales and Service Managers
SUBJECT: Pirelli World Challenge/Scion Racing Parts Inquiries – FR-S Supercharger
As part of Scion and Toyota Racing Development’s participation in the Pirelli World Challenge series, regulations require Scion to provide parts information through Scion dealership Parts Departments. The requirement is meant to support Pirelli World Challenge race teams that have an interest in racing Scion products.
An FR-S Supercharger has been developed by TRD for racing use only. The kit is set up for race teams only, and is not intended/legal for street use. The kit includes only the housing- manifold, rotor group, intercooler cores and low temp radiator. Any mounting/fitment details are the responsibility of the team purchasing the kit. Also, engine management software is the sole responsibility of the team.
Order lead time on the kits is approximately 7 – 9 weeks.
Please note: there is no requirement or expectation that the Parts Department will stock Pirelli World Challenge racing parts.
If an inquiry is received regarding this supercharger kit, please have the interested party call 1-888-551-2929, option 2.

Part Number
Cost
Minimum Order Quantity
PTR29-00086
$26,000/Kit

JungleZ · 03-23-2013, 05:08 PM

Is a turbo brz even coming out?

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-23-2013, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamu

March 1, 2013
To: Toyota Parts, Sales and Service Managers
SUBJECT: Pirelli World Challenge/Scion Racing Parts Inquiries – FR-S Supercharger
As part of Scion and Toyota Racing Development’s participation in the Pirelli World Challenge series, regulations require Scion to provide parts information through Scion dealership Parts Departments. The requirement is meant to support Pirelli World Challenge race teams that have an interest in racing Scion products.
An FR-S Supercharger has been developed by TRD for racing use only. The kit is set up for race teams only, and is not intended/legal for street use. The kit includes only the housing- manifold, rotor group, intercooler cores and low temp radiator. Any mounting/fitment details are the responsibility of the team purchasing the kit. Also, engine management software is the sole responsibility of the team.
Order lead time on the kits is approximately 7 – 9 weeks.
Please note: there is no requirement or expectation that the Parts Department will stock Pirelli World Challenge racing parts.
If an inquiry is received regarding this supercharger kit, please have the interested party call 1-888-551-2929, option 2.

Part Number
Cost
Minimum Order Quantity
PTR29-00086
$26,000/Kit

So that $26,000 comes with the racing suspension and exhaust too?

ZBro16 · 04-03-2013, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You can do 100 write ups worshipping the BRZ. But... I'm not falling into the corporate sponsored hype. Sure the BRZ/FRS is a fun car to drive "when pushed to the limit". A lightweight properly geared low hp is always fun to drive. I can get the same experience from a used $2500 econobox from the 80's. prelude, CRX, Rx-7, RWD corolla, celica etc... At $30k for a nicely featured 16 second car? I'd rather take the R-spec 2.0T and replace the whole suspension piece by piece

For a cool romp to work? Yeah i'll take one. To spend $10k in mods and the car still be slower than my stock $34k Z? When $2,000 in suspension mods makes the Z pretty damn capable? I'll stick with the Z.. Shed 200lbs off the Z and i'm good to go.

The BRZ works because it's an answer for the everyman that wants a fun car that's somewhat practical in the current economic climate. Not everyone needs 300hp to have fun. You can take the BRZ to the autocross course and have a blast on the weekend and make 30MPGs back and forth to work with it during the week. Bang for buck, it is among the best out there.

The car starts at $25k-ish like stated before. It's not $30k unless you want bells and whistles. You get the core of the car for its core purpose at $25k-ish.

Buy a Genesis R-Spec 2.0T and throw $5k in suspension mods into it and where are you? Z territory. Buy a 30 year old $2500 car to make it track capable, depending on the condition, you're going to drop at least another $2500 in reconditioning (and a laughable amount more in an RX-7 with apex seals among other things)

Bottom line is, there are always alternatives. If you're looking at new with a warranty and not a lot of fuss, there are NOT a lot of alternatives to the BRZ. It's ok - relax. The BRZ is a great car for what it does, especially for those who love to have fun on a beer budget. We could always enjoy champagne, but not everyone has a champagne budget. That's the point of this car. The buyer who goes after a BRZ likely doesn't have an extra $10,000 in his car budget.

It was never meant to be compared to a Z or a Camaro SS or a 30 year old Celica.

At this point in the argument, people are serving as someone who is so far against the hype you're hyping the anti-hype. Relax. It's ok. It's hilarious that there are Z drivers getting all bent out of shape over this car. Would you get bent out of shape over a new 240SX as well? It's borderline insecurity at this point. HOW DARE THEY MAKE A CAR THAT COSTS LESS AND PEOPLE THINK IT'S COOL! DON'T THEY KNOW THEY MAKE LAMBORGHINIS AND PAGANIS?!

UNKNOWN_370 · 04-03-2013, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

The BRZ works because it's an answer for the everyman that wants a fun car that's somewhat practical in the current economic climate. Not everyone needs 300hp to have fun. You can take the BRZ to the autocross course and have a blast on the weekend and make 30MPGs back and forth to work with it during the week. Bang for buck, it is among the best out there.

The car starts at $25k-ish like stated before. It's not $30k unless you want bells and whistles. You get the core of the car for its core purpose at $25k-ish.

Buy a Genesis R-Spec 2.0T and throw $5k in suspension mods into it and where are you? Z territory. Buy a 30 year old $2500 car to make it track capable, depending on the condition, you're going to drop at least another $2500 in reconditioning (and a laughable amount more in an RX-7 with apex seals among other things)

Bottom line is, there are always alternatives. If you're looking at new with a warranty and not a lot of fuss, there are NOT a lot of alternatives to the BRZ. It's ok - relax. The BRZ is a great car for what it does, especially for those who love to have fun on a beer budget. We could always enjoy champagne, but not everyone has a champagne budget. That's the point of this car. The buyer who goes after a BRZ likely doesn't have an extra $10,000 in his car budget.

It was never meant to be compared to a Z or a Camaro SS or a 30 year old Celica.

At this point in the argument, people are serving as someone who is so far against the hype you're hyping the anti-hype. Relax. It's ok. It's hilarious that there are Z drivers getting all bent out of shape over this car. Would you get bent out of shape over a new 240SX as well? It's borderline insecurity at this point. HOW DARE THEY MAKE A CAR THAT COSTS LESS AND PEOPLE THINK IT'S COOL! DON'T THEY KNOW THEY MAKE LAMBORGHINIS AND PAGANIS?!

1. That part of the conversation ended and doesn't include you.
2. My opinions of theBRZ are my own opinions based on a variety of factoirs you have negated in your argument to push your own agenda. AGAIN
3. Z driver comments are stupid based on my opinions are not based on the car i currently own. Especially considering that I almost traded my Z for another sports car 3 weeks ago. And have almost traded it twice in 3 months.

Looking for a fanboy? Look somewhere else. I just call it how i see it.

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