FWD BRZ Fighter? Thoughts for Nissan Lovers!

tower74

Nissan here is an idea....Take the GTR shrink it down and throw it into the Z. It's a proven car. Why not? That would kill every other ride on the road with an AWD Z, launch control, twin turbo..etc..etc...

Z_ealot

so then why would they need the gt-r anymore?

tower74

So why do they need the Mustang GT 500. Why not dump it for the mustang v6....same thing here. Different version for different price ranges and different styles.

UNKNOWN_370

At minimum, the price of the Z would triple.

Lug

Take the 3.8L design, factory line it instead of hand build it. Throw on a pair of cheap K03 turbos, reduce the HP to something like 400. This is how to save the Z at just a small price bump.

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UNKNOWN_370

We can get 400hp out of a 3.0 Turbo and save 50 lbs doing it. 400hp is not much to put it in such a big motor. The 3.8 in a Z for 400hp is overkill. We're not hyundai.

ImportConvert

My 370Z is probably making around 350hp with CBE/smooth bellows. Why the HELL! would you want to add turbos for 50bhp!?

I agree with UNK. That's stupid, and that motor is very expensive, and we already have something just as "good" as the outlined solution if you don't mind modding a bit. Or Nissan could throw some headers on it and a re-tune and re-do some VVT timing and all and be right at about 380bhp I would bet.

Lug

400 out of a 3.8 of a general assembly line with turbos lets you dumb down the built, parts cost, complexity and lets you build a motor far enough away from it's fail point to make it reliable enough for mass production a car. Pushing more out of a 3.0 liter will make it less reliable. The 3.8 is block already developed and you won't need things like the spray in sleeves and full forged components that cost more. The GT-R's motor's cost comes from expensive parts, required tighter tolerances and hand-building, things you can dumb down at lower power levels. Nissan saves costs on uitlizing a block design that's already been in use and tested beyond anything they will need.

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ImportConvert

Yeah, but it weighs well over 600#. Total fail.

Lug

Just switch from closed deck to open or semi-closed. The closed deck is just to handle the extreme HP of the GT-R. Certainly not needed at power levels discussed.

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UNKNOWN_370

Don't agree with the highlighted statement. With today's technology and material usage in engines. We can pull 280 Naturally-aspirated horses out the engine reliably and add a reliable twin scroll unit adding 90 production hp to the 3.0. Making it a 370hp engine without any reliability issues. Today there are plenty of N/A performance motors pulling out 100hp-125hp per litre reliably, so 280 from a 3.0 before the turbos isn't even all that dramatic... Nissan was pulling 222 hp from 3.0 reliably in 1990. The extra 58 N/A hp with today's technology is nothing.
There are a lots of twin scroll BMW 135's running around with $2,500 "warranteed from factory stage one tunes" making 400-420hp reliably since BMW went from TT to TSST turbo's. The NA engine used by BMW is a weak 230 horses. So boost is playing a larger role than my idea.

A 3.8 engine wouldn't be nearly as fuel efficient and will make it hard for Nissan to reach Future cafe standard goals. Weight would be heavier in the 3.8TT. A new design 3.0TSST or TT might offer a lower center of gravity for better handling as well as keep weight lower than 3100lbs which I doubt would happen with a 3.8TT.
We would lose or be on par with future muscle cars in handling if we seriously don't consider weight reduction... I think the Z being on par with muscle in handling next generation would be an embarrassment to the nissan name. We have always been the best compromise between power and handling and we always super-exceed in handling considered how powerful our cars are... I don't think we should sacrifice that reputation for a few extra horses.

Generally speaking... The modernized, lighter version of the Z32 motor would still be a beast and a half.

Shamu

Nissan knows with weight distribution of 57/43 they can't go much over 350 hp. I thinking writing is on the wall. Next z will be slightly smaller with 3.5 liter direct injected that is in new Q cars. No turbo, no BRZ fighter. They don't sell enough Z's to make it profitable to do anything to far from Infiniti sister platforms. Still seems like next Z is a couple years off into future, first need to see Q coupe and the Z will follow year later. I'm afraid next Z might be better styled but overall snoozer.

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Grant

gsxr750

Nissan should really design a new Z with the V8 engine from the Titan Truck line, they could easily design it to get over 400 hp reliably.

ImportConvert

Yeah, no kidding.

Oh, you want a pig of an engine with a hog of a driveline in the body of a ballerina? Sure, that won't cost much...

Seriously, there is no way Nissan is pumping that tech. into a 33-3400# car without seriously upping cost. Only American companies seem to know how to make a sub 3400# 600+hp vehicle that can handle. Everyone else is busy ******* around with AWD and heavy V6's and such. Of them, only Porsche is succeeding in the weight thing, and a GT2-RS will set you back 1/4mil for the privilege of competing with a corvette on the track, lmao