FWD BRZ Fighter? Thoughts for Nissan Lovers!

nuTinmuch · 03-22-2013, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The reviews of this thing being fast in the corners is with stock tires. I understand what you're saying but. If this car was so great with stock tires. Supposedly you can drive this car into corners while pushing the limit with ease, on stock tires... It should be able to beat a civicWITH MASSIVE UNDERSTEER on a track even with better tires... The civic still lacks the balance and low COG perfect for corner cutting.

This car gets too much hype. Period.

I'd rather get a car with a strong engine and good handling and build up my suspension, than have a slow azz car with a average suspension, that is so light it gives the illusion of excellent handling.

Subie's system isnt advanced? Kool... It still the best system in a $25,000 car.

The car gets a lot of hype because it is good. Basically every journalist disagrees with you.

The car is "good" on stock tires because it is fun on stock tires. They picked them so you could easily (and safely) get the rear tires loose, not because they're good for lap times.

Everyone already knows that one test R&T did with the FR-S, though, which showed this perfectly. When they stuck equal summer rubber on the FR-S it was faster than the WRX and the MS3.

Now, by all means, ride the WRX into the moon for all I care. I'll likely be switching into a WRX or a ST later this year for practicality's sake.

But based on what I've seen, if performance was the only thing I was interested in I'd pick up a BRZ and go to town in aftermarket land.

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What's out there for $25k that's equal or better?

The system Subaru uses is very basic from a technological standpoint. I'm not saying it isn't good -- quite the opposite, if you read my last post -- I'm just saying that it isn't advanced, which was what the post I was replying to was saying.

The simplicity of the system is why it is good.

Red__Zed · 03-22-2013, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

What's out there for $25k that's equal or better?

You'd be hard pressed to find a Subaru for less than $25k anymore.

You would probably have to have a good friend find a clean used one on a 370z forum, being sold primarily because the owner was moving out of state.

Frankly, that just doesn't sound realistic to me.

Lug · 03-22-2013, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ZBro16

What's out there for $25k that's equal or better?

For me, the Ford Focus ST....that's why I bought it instead.

Jordo! · 03-22-2013, 07:59 PM

There's general consensus that the twins are fun.

As a sports car, it's a let down. Notwithstanding hooning potential, there's no point in getting all excited over a sports car that gets destroyed by virtually every other hot hatch on the market -- especialy considering the typical hot hatch is meant to be a compromise whereas the twins are "purpose built".

Purpose built for what? Bragging to some guy in a Civic that you have a FR car, and therefore have the superior vehicle?

That would be fine if the Civic was being destroyed on the track, but it's not.

Again, this is why everyone hollers "it aint about the numbers!".

Of course not, The numbers are pitiful relative to the excitement that was generated.

I say, screw 'em.

Toyota, just give us grownups the twincharged version you built, charge us 35 grand for it, and let the children drive their cheap toys.

As things stand, Toyota is very close to bringing back the FWD hot hatch as a viable sports car option... whoops.

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-22-2013, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

The car gets a lot of hype because it is good. Basically every journalist disagrees with you.

The car is "good" on stock tires because it is fun on stock tires. They picked them so you could easily (and safely) get the rear tires loose, not because they're good for lap times.

Everyone already knows that one test R&T did with the FR-S, though, which showed this perfectly. When they stuck equal summer rubber on the FR-S it was faster than the WRX and the MS3.

Now, by all means, ride the WRX into the moon for all I care. I'll likely be switching into a WRX or a ST later this year for practicality's sake.

But based on what I've seen, if performance was the only thing I was interested in I'd pick up a BRZ and go to town in aftermarket land.

The system Subaru uses is very basic from a technological standpoint. I'm not saying it isn't good -- quite the opposite, if you read my last post -- I'm just saying that it isn't advanced, which was what the post I was replying to was saying.

The simplicity of the system is why it is good.

You can do 100 write ups worshipping the BRZ. But... I'm not falling into the corporate sponsored hype. Sure the BRZ/FRS is a fun car to drive "when pushed to the limit". A lightweight properly geared low hp is always fun to drive. I can get the same experience from a used $2500 econobox from the 80's. prelude, CRX, Rx-7, RWD corolla, celica etc... At $30k for a nicely featured 16 second car? I'd rather take the R-spec 2.0T and replace the whole suspension piece by piece

For a cool romp to work? Yeah i'll take one. To spend $10k in mods and the car still be slower than my stock $34k Z? When $2,000 in suspension mods makes the Z pretty damn capable? I'll stick with the Z.. Shed 200lbs off the Z and i'm good to go.

Shamu · 03-22-2013, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

You can do 100 write ups worshipping the BRZ. But... I'm not falling into the corporate sponsored hype. Sure the BRZ/FRS is a fun car to drive "when pushed to the limit". A lightweight properly geared low hp is always fun to drive. I can get the same experience from a used $2500 econobox from the 80's. prelude, CRX, Rx-7, RWD corolla, celica etc... At $30k for a nicely featured 16 second car? I'd rather take the R-spec 2.0T and replace the whole suspension piece by piece

For a cool romp to work? Yeah i'll take one. To spend $10k in mods and the car still be slower than my stock $34k Z? When $2,000 in suspension mods makes the Z pretty damn capable? I'll stick with the Z.. Shed 200lbs off the Z and i'm good to go.

Hey for $26k you can have a TRD supercharger kit that requires you to do your own tune.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...9&d=1363717992

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-23-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Shamu

Hey for $26k you can have a TRD supercharger kit that requires you to do your own tune.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/attac...9&d=1363717992

The link isn't working for me... So you're saying the supercharger costs as much as the car??? Without a tune??? lmfao.

Red__Zed · 03-23-2013, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The link isn't working for me... So you're saying the supercharger costs as much as the car??? Without a tune??? lmfao.

It's a racing kit.

Shamu · 03-23-2013, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The link isn't working for me... So you're saying the supercharger costs as much as the car??? Without a tune??? lmfao.

March 1, 2013
To: Toyota Parts, Sales and Service Managers
SUBJECT: Pirelli World Challenge/Scion Racing Parts Inquiries – FR-S Supercharger
As part of Scion and Toyota Racing Development’s participation in the Pirelli World Challenge series, regulations require Scion to provide parts information through Scion dealership Parts Departments. The requirement is meant to support Pirelli World Challenge race teams that have an interest in racing Scion products.
An FR-S Supercharger has been developed by TRD for racing use only. The kit is set up for race teams only, and is not intended/legal for street use. The kit includes only the housing- manifold, rotor group, intercooler cores and low temp radiator. Any mounting/fitment details are the responsibility of the team purchasing the kit. Also, engine management software is the sole responsibility of the team.
Order lead time on the kits is approximately 7 – 9 weeks.
Please note: there is no requirement or expectation that the Parts Department will stock Pirelli World Challenge racing parts.
If an inquiry is received regarding this supercharger kit, please have the interested party call 1-888-551-2929, option 2.

Part Number
Cost
Minimum Order Quantity
PTR29-00086
$26,000/Kit

JungleZ · 03-23-2013, 06:08 PM

Is a turbo brz even coming out?

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-23-2013, 06:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamu

March 1, 2013
To: Toyota Parts, Sales and Service Managers
SUBJECT: Pirelli World Challenge/Scion Racing Parts Inquiries – FR-S Supercharger
As part of Scion and Toyota Racing Development’s participation in the Pirelli World Challenge series, regulations require Scion to provide parts information through Scion dealership Parts Departments. The requirement is meant to support Pirelli World Challenge race teams that have an interest in racing Scion products.
An FR-S Supercharger has been developed by TRD for racing use only. The kit is set up for race teams only, and is not intended/legal for street use. The kit includes only the housing- manifold, rotor group, intercooler cores and low temp radiator. Any mounting/fitment details are the responsibility of the team purchasing the kit. Also, engine management software is the sole responsibility of the team.
Order lead time on the kits is approximately 7 – 9 weeks.
Please note: there is no requirement or expectation that the Parts Department will stock Pirelli World Challenge racing parts.
If an inquiry is received regarding this supercharger kit, please have the interested party call 1-888-551-2929, option 2.

Part Number
Cost
Minimum Order Quantity
PTR29-00086
$26,000/Kit

So that $26,000 comes with the racing suspension and exhaust too?

mick · 03-29-2013, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Lug

For me, the Ford Focus ST....that's why I bought it instead.

I thought I was going to get a Focus ST but in the end, I went for the WRX
It is more comfortable than I thought

Red__Zed · 03-29-2013, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by mick

I thought I was going to get a Focus ST but in the end, I went for the WRX
It is more comfortable than I thought

nice choice with the limited and WRB. Good looking car

mick · 03-29-2013, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

nice choice with the limited and WRB. Good looking car

thanks

I have only put 10 miles on it and already a guy in a suped up honda wanted to challenge me :-O. He won, of course

Red__Zed · 03-29-2013, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by mick

thanks

I have only put 10 miles on it and already a guy in a suped up honda wanted to challenge me :-O. He won, of course

next time remember to open your hood scoop

03-22-2013, 07:59 PM	#49 (permalink)
Jordo! A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2010 Location: nirvana Posts: 6,394 Drives: 2023 NATM Rep Power: 418	There's general consensus that the twins are fun. As a sports car, it's a let down. Notwithstanding hooning potential, there's no point in getting all excited over a sports car that gets destroyed by virtually every other hot hatch on the market -- especialy considering the typical hot hatch is meant to be a compromise whereas the twins are "purpose built". Purpose built for what? Bragging to some guy in a Civic that you have a FR car, and therefore have the superior vehicle? That would be fine if the Civic was being destroyed on the track, but it's not. Again, this is why everyone hollers "it aint about the numbers!". Of course not, The numbers are pitiful relative to the excitement that was generated. I say, screw 'em. Toyota, just give us grownups the twincharged version you built, charge us 35 grand for it, and let the children drive their cheap toys. As things stand, Toyota is very close to bringing back the FWD hot hatch as a viable sports car option... whoops. __________________ Enjoy it. Destroy it. Last edited by Jordo!; 03-22-2013 at 08:04 PM.

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