Police and sport bike accident !!!

lol1234 · 03-04-2013, 07:50 PM

Was expecting much worse but I have never been on a bike. Can someone explain why he stopped so abruptly? I get the white car is trying to merge but I thought he would have just kept a slower pace.

Ackrite · 03-04-2013, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Here he is lane spliting...

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He seems to be doing a pretty good job of splitting lanes there. Nothing out of the ordinary or unsafe about that vid.

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Originally Posted by Haboob

Yeah. I can't stand bikes that split lanes (illegal here in AZ)... so I just merge to the line when I see them coming by.

Then they yell at me like I did something wrong - nope, I'm in my lane *******. You have to wait in traffic like the rest of us.

But back on topic - it is pretty stupid to have those kind of vid's up then claim your some sort of law abiding citizen and play victim in the latest vid. Granted the officer was in the wrong, but his reputation isn't that great.

What's wrong with splitting lanes, other than it being illegal? Does it make you jealous, scared, envious, or does it actually somehow ruin your day? You should realize that splitting lanes is perfectly safe so long as we don't have people intentionally trying to hit us. It causes absolutely no inconvenience to cars and it won't make a person in a car take longer to get to where they are going. Splitting lanes also improves traffic congestion. But, I guess it makes you feel like a big man to try and either end a person's life or physically debilitate them for life just to prove a point or get some kind of personal victory or satisfaction. I've had my fair share of people like you and if I ever actually do go down because of it, then it's likely my GoPro can help get the driver vehicular manslaughter or attempted murder charges.

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Originally Posted by lol1234

Was expecting much worse but I have never been on a bike. Can someone explain why he stopped so abruptly? I get the white car is trying to merge but I thought he would have just kept a slower pace.

He probably stopped so abruptly because he thought he was in the white car's blind spot and wasn't sure if the car was going to cut him off. At that point it is better to slow down, though perhaps not so abruptly, than to speed up because he had nowhere to go ahead since it's not legal to split in Nevada. It has happened to me many times where a cop will get on my *** to most likely get my plates just in case I try to run if he tries to stop me for any reason. That's my guess as to what the cop was doing in that video and that's also a perfect example of why splitting should be legal everywhere because the bike woulda been in front of all the cars at the stop light and that situation never would have happened.

Z_ealot · 03-04-2013, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Ackrite

He seems to be doing a pretty good job of splitting lanes there. Nothing out of the ordinary or unsafe about that vid.

What's wrong with splitting lanes, other than it being illegal? Does it make you jealous, scared, envious, or does it actually somehow ruin your day? You should realize that splitting lanes is perfectly safe so long as we don't have people intentionally trying to hit us. It causes absolutely no inconvenience to cars and it won't make a person in a car take longer to get to where they are going. Splitting lanes also improves traffic congestion. But, I guess it makes you feel like a big man to try and either end a person's life or physically debilitate them for life just to prove a point or get some kind of personal victory or satisfaction. I've had my fair share of people like you and if I ever actually do go down because of it, then it's likely my GoPro can help get the driver vehicular manslaughter or attempted murder charges.

He probably stopped so abruptly because he thought he was in the white car's blind spot and wasn't sure if the car was going to cut him off. At that point it is better to slow down, though perhaps not so abruptly, than to speed up because he had nowhere to go ahead since it's not legal to split in Nevada. It has happened to me many times where a cop will get on my *** to most likely get my plates just in case I try to run if he tries to stop me for any reason. That's my guess as to what the cop was doing in that video and that's also a perfect example of why splitting should be legal everywhere because the bike woulda been in front of all the cars at the stop light and that situation never would have happened.

i will agree with you that splitting lanes is safest for a biker, but the sad fact is here in southern california and especially orange county most sport bike riders act like asshats on the freeway and cant lane split properly for their life not to mention half the time they are doing almost double the speed limit. i can not tell you how many times i've been nearly hit while staying in my own lane minding my own business by these guys on their sport bikes and then to top it off when i pull up to a red light and it turns green they haul off like a bat out of hell when no one is trying to race them. sticking on topic though that cop was definitely in the wrong on this one.

Haboob · 03-05-2013, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Z_ealot

i will agree with you that splitting lanes is safest for a biker, but the sad fact is here in southern california and especially orange county most sport bike riders act like asshats on the freeway and cant lane split properly for their life not to mention half the time they are doing almost double the speed limit. i can not tell you how many times i've been nearly hit while staying in my own lane minding my own business by these guys on their sport bikes and then to top it off when i pull up to a red light and it turns green they haul off like a bat out of hell when no one is trying to race them. sticking on topic though that cop was definitely in the wrong on this one.

Also...

I know lane splitting is legal in Cali, but not being used to it and sitting in traffic on the freeway when I'm there visiting I had a bike FLY by me. I'm at maybe 5mph and he flies between us at about 45-50.

Scared the **** out of me and I almost jerked the wheel in that direction not knowing what was going on (couldn't see in the mirrors due to it being night, other traffic, and a slight curve) - they don't take that into account when they do this stuff. It's a stupid law, IMO, to allow them to do that.

Haboob · 03-05-2013, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Ackrite

What's wrong with splitting lanes, other than it being illegal? Does it make you jealous, scared, envious, or does it actually somehow ruin your day? You should realize that splitting lanes is perfectly safe so long as we don't have people intentionally trying to hit us. It causes absolutely no inconvenience to cars and it won't make a person in a car take longer to get to where they are going. Splitting lanes also improves traffic congestion. But, I guess it makes you feel like a big man to try and either end a person's life or physically debilitate them for life just to prove a point or get some kind of personal victory or satisfaction. I've had my fair share of people like you and if I ever actually do go down because of it, then it's likely my GoPro can help get the driver vehicular manslaughter or attempted murder charges.

Wouldn't ever happen here. You'd be cited for failure to stay within your lane/reckless driving. Me? I never left my lane. I wouldn't be at fault.

Have a nice day!

Maybe it is jealousy, sure, why should they get to (illegally) go ahead of everyone else who has to wait? Quit being a douche bag and wait your turn - bikers are like the handicapped people at amusement parks, they think they should get to go ahead of everyone who's waited in line for an hour.

Bikers talk like they want respect, but then all they do is stupid **** like this. I have zero respect for them. You want to share the road? Then ride proper, otherwise I'll always win the battle in bike vs. car.

And as always, there are exceptions. There are some proper riders out there, but it's the bad ones that give the rest a bad name.

Cmike2780 · 03-05-2013, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Ackrite

He seems to be doing a pretty good job of splitting lanes there. Nothing out of the ordinary or unsafe about that vid.

Look, I get it. You're just defending another riders... that's fine and you're more than entitled to your own opinions. I have nothing against motorcycles. My father owned one & I'd like to own one someday.

To me though, there is nothing safe about weaving in & out of moving traffic without signaling or regard to other drivers on the road. I have zero problems with bikes going 10mph between cars when traffic is stopped....in NY though, idiots go 60mph. Nothing safe about that... to the biker or the other cars on the road. The guy in the video looks like he's going about 50mph. I guess my point is, if I drive like this in my Z, you'd be in the right to call me an a-hole.

Akmcmahon · 03-06-2013, 02:16 AM

I'm really surprised anyone would side with the cop on this one. Traffic wasn't stopped or heavy enough to criticize his lane riding IMO. I've seen FAR worse. But the one thing NO ONE even mentioned was the fact that he was doing maybe 20mph when he hit the brakes and got rear ended. It was a pretty soft hit at that. Traffic was crawling in front and on the sides. You have to pretty much be looking at your iPhone or the girl in the other lane to not be able to stop in time. For the cop to react the way he did is ridiculous under any circumstance. He was trying to use scare tactics to get out of a potential incident. Not talking about being sued, but losing his job. I would have gone ape **** on that cop, especially knowing I had it all on tape. Cops get away with too much at times and punish for little to nothing at all often. It sucks because I know some great guys out there that are cops who will get a bad rep for the crap others pull on a regular basis.

gsxr750 · 03-06-2013, 02:50 PM

You have to remember it doesn't matter how either individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the accident.

Its only the actual facts that took place during the accident.

Cmike2780 · 03-06-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gsxr750

You have to remember it doesn't matter how either individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the accident.

Its only the actual facts that took place during the accident.

I just think it's kind of pointless to "blow this up" on the internet. Both walk away and it doesn't sound like there were injuries or property damage. This is nothing more than pointing out a "gotcha" moment. How an individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the incident is very much indicative of a motive. Any lawyer would gladly use that to build a case against the biker considering the previous videos directly relate to the rules of the road. Just as an example, if he has 50 videos of himself going 90mph and weaving in & out of traffic, a lawyer could prove motive that he's a reckless driver and possible caused the incident. Put another way, it would be like having a video of a cop slapping you in the *** while you have 50 other YouTube videos of yourself punching random strangers in the face.

Like I said, the cop was being a **** and could have handled it better. The guy on the bike also had the choice to keep this private and achieve the same result.....but he didn't.

zguynate · 03-07-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I just think it's kind of pointless to "blow this up" on the internet. Both walk away and it doesn't sound like there were injuries or property damage. This is nothing more than pointing out a "gotcha" moment. How an individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the incident is very much indicative of a motive. Any lawyer would gladly use that to build a case against the biker considering the previous videos directly relate to the rules of the road. Just as an example, if he has 50 videos of himself going 90mph and weaving in & out of traffic, a lawyer could prove motive that he's a reckless driver and possible caused the incident. Put another way, it would be like having a video of a cop slapping you in the *** while you have 50 other YouTube videos of yourself punching random strangers in the face.

Like I said, the cop was being a **** and could have handled it better. The guy on the bike also had the choice to keep this private and achieve the same result.....but he didn't.

I disagree with you. Sure the biker could drive like a douche all the time but in this video he wasnt. The officer was definitely at fault for this accident. Instead of manning up for his mistake and taking his ticket and departmental discipline for causing an accident, he gets out and yells at the bike driver like it was his fault. If you got rear ended by a cop, then got yelled at for something that clearly wasnt your fault you would be mad too.

Im a firm believer in you should always do whats right. This officer just intimidated the bike driver to keep from getting in trouble.

Speedy · 03-07-2013, 11:35 AM

If you've never been a bike rider, then you probably don't understand the issue here. I rode motorcycles for years and the police do harass us a lot. No doubt the cop was right up the guys arse to run his plate for a reason to pull him over, and likely typing on the laptop when he gave him the love tap.

Now, if some cop smacked me like that, then came up being a jerk like this guy. We'd have had his supervisor and likely the captain and lieutenant out there to sort it out and find out how the city would pay for any damage to my bike and time off work to have it repaired.

When he threatened to write me a "load of tickets" I would have told him to go ahead and we would work out the details of the issue in court. I've been around the block a few times with LEO and have no problem going to court to argue cases. Some folks are intimidated by that process. It doesn't bother me one bit.

The cop knew he was in the wrong and used his position to intimidate the rider. That is an abuse of position of you ask me.

My Dad was a LEO so I can speak from both sides of the fence intelligently and with some experience.

SouthArk370Z · 03-07-2013, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy

...Now, if some cop smacked me like that, then came up being a jerk like this guy. We'd have had his supervisor and likely the captain and lieutenant out there to sort it out and find out how the city would pay for any damage to my bike and time off work to have it repaired.

When he threatened to write me a "load of tickets" I would have told him to go ahead and we would work out the details of the issue in court. ...

The cop knew he was in the wrong and used his position to intimidate the rider. That is an abuse of position of you ask me.

My Dad was a LEO so I can speak from both sides of the fence intelligently and with some experience.

Yep. There doesn't appear to be any damage done so if the cop had been apologetic, I would be willing to to shrug it off with a few choice words about his driving abilities - no-harm-no-foul, being a cop isn't always an easy job, and I'll be late for work if this escalates to an official accident. But when he starting talking about writing tickets, I think I would have insisted that we fill out the required accident report first. What happened is on at least one camera and probably two.

I guess it's like any profession, a few bad ones reflect badly on the rest. Most cops I run into are pretty good ppl just trying to do a job and feed their families. Maybe his wife ran off with a motorcyclist - still no excuse to act like that.

theDreamer · 03-08-2013, 01:52 PM

Police officer in YouTube video placed on paid leave - www.ktnv.com

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The officer will be on paid administrative leave until LVMPD completes an internal investigation.

The motorcyclist, John Paul Rosario, had a video camera attached to his helmet.

Rosario was never issued a ticket by the officer and is glad the police department has taken action. But, he thinks paid administrative leave is pretty generous for what he describes as "uncalled for aggression by an officer."

03-06-2013, 02:16 AM	#7 (permalink)
Akmcmahon Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: San Diego Posts: 159 Drives: 13 370Z Mag Black M6 Rep Power: 14	I'm really surprised anyone would side with the cop on this one. Traffic wasn't stopped or heavy enough to criticize his lane riding IMO. I've seen FAR worse. But the one thing NO ONE even mentioned was the fact that he was doing maybe 20mph when he hit the brakes and got rear ended. It was a pretty soft hit at that. Traffic was crawling in front and on the sides. You have to pretty much be looking at your iPhone or the girl in the other lane to not be able to stop in time. For the cop to react the way he did is ridiculous under any circumstance. He was trying to use scare tactics to get out of a potential incident. Not talking about being sued, but losing his job. I would have gone ape **** on that cop, especially knowing I had it all on tape. Cops get away with too much at times and punish for little to nothing at all often. It sucks because I know some great guys out there that are cops who will get a bad rep for the crap others pull on a regular basis. SouthArk370Z likes this.

03-07-2013, 11:35 AM	#11 (permalink)
Speedy Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: TN Posts: 390 Drives: check my signature Rep Power: 14	If you've never been a bike rider, then you probably don't understand the issue here. I rode motorcycles for years and the police do harass us a lot. No doubt the cop was right up the guys arse to run his plate for a reason to pull him over, and likely typing on the laptop when he gave him the love tap. Now, if some cop smacked me like that, then came up being a jerk like this guy. We'd have had his supervisor and likely the captain and lieutenant out there to sort it out and find out how the city would pay for any damage to my bike and time off work to have it repaired. When he threatened to write me a "load of tickets" I would have told him to go ahead and we would work out the details of the issue in court. I've been around the block a few times with LEO and have no problem going to court to argue cases. Some folks are intimidated by that process. It doesn't bother me one bit. The cop knew he was in the wrong and used his position to intimidate the rider. That is an abuse of position of you ask me. My Dad was a LEO so I can speak from both sides of the fence intelligently and with some experience. SouthArk370Z likes this. Last edited by Speedy; 03-07-2013 at 11:38 AM.

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03-04-2013, 07:50 PM	#1 (permalink)
lol1234 Base Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Jersey Posts: 73 Drives: Nismo 370Z Rep Power: 14	Was expecting much worse but I have never been on a bike. Can someone explain why he stopped so abruptly? I get the white car is trying to merge but I thought he would have just kept a slower pace.

03-06-2013, 02:50 PM	#8 (permalink)
gsxr750 Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: west Posts: 443 Drives: 2012 370z man. sport Rep Power: 14	You have to remember it doesn't matter how either individual behaved or drove on previous days or hours before the accident. Its only the actual facts that took place during the accident.