Why is Ford doing more than Nissan?

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

What? They sold cars. If you've even been in a company with competing operational philosophies, it's exactly the same. Get results, get funded.

If the 2011-2013 Mustang had sold like the 370Z, you wouldn't be seeing a ground up re-design, you'd be seeing an S197 with LED strips on the bumper.

If the 370Z had sold like it was projected, you'd have probably seen a 2013 or 2014 performance bump, much like you saw on the 350Z.

It pretty much comes down to--if you want a company to make sporty cars, their sporty cars have to make money.

Yeah but you can't compare the business philosophies and product line-up of ford to nissan.

I think Japan, just got pissed with american reviewers nitpicking and they let the car be.

Nissan mistakes were not fixing the first 5 issues that arose immediately. And the american media GROSSLY exaggerated the Z flaws while over-glorifying american sports entries. People in the country believe what they hear from a so-called respected source. they don't take the pepsi-challenge like they should...
While there is high logic and reasonability to your analysis. You're negating way more factors that I think played a bigger role. Nissan sells 250 Gt-R's a month, but they poor millions in that car. There's a bigger reason than NOT being like ford.

Red__Zed · 02-28-2013, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Yeah but you can't compare the business philosophies and product line-up of ford to nissan.

I think Japan, just got pissed with american reviewers nitpicking and they let the car be.

Nissan mistakes were not fixing the first 5 issues that arose immediately. And the american media GROSSLY exaggerated the Z flaws while over-glorifying american sports entries. People in the country believe what they hear from a so-called respected source. they don't take the pepsi-challenge like they should...
While there is high logic and reasonability to your analysis. You're negating way more factors that I think played a bigger role. Nissan sells 250 Gt-R's a month, but they poor millions in that car. There's a bigger reason than NOT being like ford.

The Z got great review when it was new. The typical reporting cycle generally has flaws ignored for a while.

At the end of the day, Nissan doesn't make decisions based on what car magazines say. It's a business, they have a fiscal obligation to their shareholders to maximize profits, and they do whatever they can to get there. Decisions at the top level are based on sales numbers and profit margins, not on anything else.

Some groups tend more towards different strategies. When the sporty guys are successful, you see more sporty cars from that company (think Honda circa 98). When they have some bad luck (declining sales, etc), the beancounters win (see Honda circa now).

Nissan dumps money in the GTR because it's the most effective way for them to advertise.

Beats doing this:

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

The Z got great review when it was new. The typical reporting cycle generally has flaws ignored for a while.

At the end of the day, Nissan doesn't make decisions based on what car magazines say. It's a business, they have a fiscal obligation to their shareholders to maximize profits, and they do whatever they can to get there. Decisions at the top level are based on sales numbers and profit margins, not on anything else.

Some groups tend more towards different strategies. When the sporty guys are successful, you see more sporty cars from that company (think Honda circa 98). When they have some bad luck (declining sales, etc), the beancounters win (see Honda circa now).

Nissan dumps money in the GTR because it's the most effective way for them to advertise.

Beats doing this:

If Nissan would have made the sacrifice to immediately fix the first few criticisms... Do you think they'd be in this media situation right now?

Red__Zed · 02-28-2013, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

If Nissan would have made the sacrifice to immediately fix the first few criticisms... Do you think they'd be in this media situation right now?

It has nothing to do with media and everything to do with sales. There's plenty of cars that do not get great reviews and still sell well. You may remember the 350Z did not get fantastic reviews either-- but...it sold

The Z didn't sell early on because it was poorly released. There was no pre-release hype, no build-up to an event. The BRZ was back-ordered how many months early on? You couldn't get your hands on a 5.0 for the first several months of release. This is what the marketing group gets paid for, and they dropped the ball.

Nissan basically started shipping 370z's to dealer lots where they sat and collected dust. A lot of people didn't even realize Nissan had released something because the car barely showed up in any media sources prior to release. The cars sat on lots, dealers started selling them under invoice, and all of a sudden it is nothing special--and you should never underestimate how stupid people are when it comes to exclusivity. The Boss mustang fixes nothing about the 5.0 that a set of Koni Yellow's couldn't do better, and yet it's in a different league.

Failing to build hype and anticipation early on will cause the car to fail long-term, even if it wasn't released 5 months in to an economic down turn.

bdavis89 · 02-28-2013, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Beats doing this:

Lmao. Does it though?

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DCNISMO · 02-28-2013, 08:41 PM

Nissan should have something like Ford Racing products, that offers all kinds of factory engine and chassis performance goodies that come with a full factory warranty when dealer installed. You can get a stripper 5.0 and then add the Ford Racing blower for huge HP gains and then add the brakes, springs, shocks....all kinds of things. All Nissan does is keychains and car covers.

m4a1mustang · 02-28-2013, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

It has nothing to do with media and everything to do with sales. There's plenty of cars that do not get great reviews and still sell well. You may remember the 350Z did not get fantastic reviews either-- but...it sold

The Z didn't sell early on because it was poorly released. There was no pre-release hype, no build-up to an event. The BRZ was back-ordered how many months early on? You couldn't get your hands on a 5.0 for the first several months of release. This is what the marketing group gets paid for, and they dropped the ball.

Nissan basically started shipping 370z's to dealer lots where they sat and collected dust. A lot of people didn't even realize Nissan had released something because the car barely showed up in any media sources prior to release. The cars sat on lots, dealers started selling them under invoice, and all of a sudden it is nothing special--and you should never underestimate how stupid people are when it comes to exclusivity. The Boss mustang fixes nothing about the 5.0 that a set of Koni Yellow's couldn't do better, and yet it's in a different league.

Failing to build hype and anticipation early on will cause the car to fail long-term, even if it wasn't released 5 months in to an economic down turn.

Nissan dropped the ball big time.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-28-2013, 09:35 PM

I hope Nissan does turn things around with the next gen Z, but I'm not expecting much. Very much looking forward to the 2015 5.0. It's most likely going to be my next car.

JungleZ · 02-28-2013, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I hope Nissan does turn things around with the next gen Z, but I'm not expecting much. Very much looking forward to the 2015 5.0. It's most likely going to be my next car.

It will take alot for me to commit to a Mustang, but if the new one owns the Z like the current GT does as far as straight up straight line speed than that will be it for me. Its just a better bang for your buck value regardless if the Z is sexier. I hate the fact that the manual for the Z you have to have a perfect launch off the line or else you're getting dusted by a Toyota Camry V6 or Honda Accord V6.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-28-2013, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

It will take alot for me to commit to a Mustang, but if the new one owns the Z like the current GT does as far as straight up straight line speed than that will be it for me. Its just a better bang for your buck value regardless if the Z is sexier. I hate the fact that the manual for the Z you have to have a perfect launch off the line or else you're getting dusted by a Toyota Camry V6 or Honda Accord V6.

Yeah I wasn't a big fan of the Mustang either until I got a ride in Steve's 2011 5.0. I was quite shocked. I would have bought one if this new redesign wasn't coming so soon.

m4a1mustang · 02-28-2013, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Yeah I wasn't a big fan of the Mustang either until I got a ride in Steve's 2011 5.0. I was quite shocked. I would have bought one if this new redesign wasn't coming so soon.

Then you were impressed when I took you for a drive in the car.

b1adesofcha0s · 02-28-2013, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Then you were impressed when I took you for a drive in the car.

Fearless_Z · 03-01-2013, 12:28 AM

While the Mustang has more power, etc etc etc. I just cant stand seeing 500 a day (exaggeration) everytine i go to town. Nice car and great buy but i still rather my Z when the day is over, not just because of the looks, but because ive been a nissan "fan boy" since i was little. I hardly see a Z at all where i live and mustangs are just everywhere. My car catches eyes before the mustang does, and although i may lose in a straight to the mustang, i know i would never be happy driving one. The Z could use a nice boost, thats for sure but if i really want a drag demon...ill build an old car thats always been the best route to take when building a drag car. No worrying about voiding warranties and you put what you want in it. And just for the record for those that have the new 5.0's, are the trannys that bad? I watched some videos and researched some forums on it and it seems like everyone has a problem with it. :/

m4a1mustang · 03-01-2013, 07:22 AM

Never had a problem with mine.

Fearless_Z · 03-01-2013, 07:41 AM

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Never had a problem with mine.

I was just curious. I read alot about it.

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b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 142	I hope Nissan does turn things around with the next gen Z, but I'm not expecting much. Very much looking forward to the 2015 5.0. It's most likely going to be my next car. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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Fearless_Z Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Center Point, LA Posts: 208 Drives: 2014 Nissan Z Nismo Rep Power: 13	While the Mustang has more power, etc etc etc. I just cant stand seeing 500 a day (exaggeration) everytine i go to town. Nice car and great buy but i still rather my Z when the day is over, not just because of the looks, but because ive been a nissan "fan boy" since i was little. I hardly see a Z at all where i live and mustangs are just everywhere. My car catches eyes before the mustang does, and although i may lose in a straight to the mustang, i know i would never be happy driving one. The Z could use a nice boost, thats for sure but if i really want a drag demon...ill build an old car thats always been the best route to take when building a drag car. No worrying about voiding warranties and you put what you want in it. And just for the record for those that have the new 5.0's, are the trannys that bad? I watched some videos and researched some forums on it and it seems like everyone has a problem with it. :/ DEpointfive0 likes this.

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m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	Never had a problem with mine. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

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DCNISMO Track Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: washington dc Posts: 995 Drives: Nismo Z Rep Power: 179	Nissan should have something like Ford Racing products, that offers all kinds of factory engine and chassis performance goodies that come with a full factory warranty when dealer installed. You can get a stripper 5.0 and then add the Ford Racing blower for huge HP gains and then add the brakes, springs, shocks....all kinds of things. All Nissan does is keychains and car covers.