Why is Ford doing more than Nissan?

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-27-2013, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

Ya that's all I'm saying is what I've seen so far scares me! I mean I don't mind getting smoked by v8 mustangs that cost less but at least give us some more cars with beefier options if you're gonna be sporty.

I feel you.

I see the v6 and v8 mustang
Then comes the Focus ST and soon to come RS
The fiesta is even getting sporty.
The next gen mustang will probably make this current one look pu$$y.

Meanwhile, our versa is bytchier
Our altima is larger/ yet lighter??? CVT and GRAVITY??? anyone?
The altima coupe is up in the air.
The sentra is duller with NOT even a real fact about a possible SE-R
The maxima? No news either.
Hybrid infiniti Q50 as the higher end G doesn't inspire sport confidence.
The Z's refresh is the laughing stock of the sports car world.

All i can say is keep hope alive.

dastaco · 02-27-2013, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I feel you.

I see the v6 and v8 mustang
Then comes the Focus ST and soon to come RS
The fiesta is even getting sporty.
The next gen mustang will probably make this current one look pu$$y.

Meanwhile, our versa is bytchier
Our altima is larger/ yet lighter??? CVT and GRAVITY??? anyone?
The altima coupe is up in the air.
The sentra is duller with NOT even a real fact about a possible SE-R
The maxima? No news either.
Hybrid infiniti Q50 as the higher end G doesn't inspire sport confidence.
The Z's refresh is the laughing stock of the sports car world.

All i can say is keep hope alive.

Yeah but seriously... we're getting an electric car in Le Mans!!

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-27-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by dastaco

Yeah but seriously... we're getting an electric car in Le Mans!!

Lol... Please Don't Remind Me.

OnCallZ · 02-27-2013, 08:59 PM

I agree, nissan needs to step up with the Z, currently the only competitive sports car they have is the GTR, the z turned into a GT cruiser, overpriced and under-powered. I remember reading an article in 2002-2003 when the 350z was deemed a Japanese mustang, now it seems that the new Japanese mustang got caught in a time loop and can't come out of early 21st century.

Personally I would love to see a detuned gtr engine in the next gen Z, yes yes I know the r35 engine is an expensive thing, but the VR38DETT evolved from the VQ35/37, so I don't see why we can't have some convergent evolution and fabricate a VR38 derivative with maybe less boost/ revised internals to fit the 35k segment.
I don't know if it would be cheaper then going to a full or half aluminum chassis, but I do know it would have the same effect, nothing wrong with 3200lbs and 450hp/420tq and limitless tuning potential, this surely would put the Z back in the lead

ImportConvert · 02-27-2013, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnCallZ

I agree, nissan needs to step up with the Z, currently the only competitive sports car they have is the GTR, the z turned into a GT cruiser, overpriced and under-powered. I remember reading an article in 2002-2003 when the 350z was deemed a Japanese mustang, now it seems that the new Japanese mustang got caught in a time loop and can't come out of early 21st century.

Personally I would love to see a detuned gtr engine in the next gen Z, yes yes I know the r35 engine is an expensive thing, but the VR38DETT evolved from the VQ35/37, so I don't see why we can't have some convergent evolution and fabricate a VR38 derivative with maybe less boost/ revised internals to fit the 35k segment.
I don't know if it would be cheaper then going to a full or half aluminum chassis, but I do know it would have the same effect, nothing wrong with 3200lbs and 450hp/420tq and limitless tuning potential, this surely would put the Z back in the lead

Problem: GT-R engine is horribly inefficient weight/power wise. They would do better shoving an LS7 under the hood, unless you want a 4,000# car, maybe they could call it the 4000Z, LMAO!

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-27-2013, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OnCallZ

I agree, nissan needs to step up with the Z, currently the only competitive sports car they have is the GTR, the z turned into a GT cruiser, overpriced and under-powered. I remember reading an article in 2002-2003 when the 350z was deemed a Japanese mustang, now it seems that the new Japanese mustang got caught in a time loop and can't come out of early 21st century.

Personally I would love to see a detuned gtr engine in the next gen Z, yes yes I know the r35 engine is an expensive thing, but the VR38DETT evolved from the VQ35/37, so I don't see why we can't have some convergent evolution and fabricate a VR38 derivative with maybe less boost/ revised internals to fit the 35k segment.
I don't know if it would be cheaper then going to a full or half aluminum chassis, but I do know it would have the same effect, nothing wrong with 3200lbs and 450hp/420tq and limitless tuning potential, this surely would put the Z back in the lead

I don't think it's underpowered, but transmission and suspension tuning should have been done to improve acceleration. also they should have moved to a more aggressive tire. they just totally missed the bus with simple improvements that could have made dramatic changes.

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 04:20 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I don't think it's underpowered, but transmission and suspension tuning should have been done to improve acceleration. also they should have moved to a more aggressive tire. they just totally missed the bus with simple improvements that could have made dramatic changes.

Honestly, I don't have any issue with the suspension for acceleration. The high 12/low 13 second 1/4 mile times point to others doing well with it when using it at the drag strip, too.

My issue is with the suspension where the road turns and/or a bump is encountered. Nissan left a LOT on the table, here...

/Angelo350Z/ · 02-28-2013, 06:02 AM

I really hope Nissan builds the next Z to compete with the 911 Carrera, and the Nismo variant to go up against the Carrera S. I'm such a fanboy that I'll pay $70K fora 420+ hp, 3100 lb, NA V8 or TT V6 Z. That would then open up the segment for the new Silvia; slotted exactly where the Z has been all this time.

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

I really hope Nissan builds the next Z to compete with the 911 Carrera, and the Nismo variant to go up against the Carrera S. I'm such a fanboy that I'll pay $70K fora 420+ hp, 3100 lb, NA V8 or TT V6 Z. That would then open up the segment for the new Silvia; slotted exactly where the Z has been all this time.

Nissan is a relatively poor company competing with a relatively well-off company, and a government backed company. They cannot afford to do such grandiose things as move a car up an entire segment and create another one to fill its place. That is industry-shattering, and Nissan doesn't have near the oomph in their pockets to even contemplate it.

/Angelo350Z/ · 02-28-2013, 06:47 AM

Yeah, but we can all dream

. That would be awesome though ... a more exclusive Z with over 420 hp from the factory. Match it with timeless lines similar to the Z32, and I'm sold..

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

Yeah, but we can all dream

. That would be awesome though ... a more exclusive Z with over 420 hp from the factory. Match it with timeless lines similar to the Z32, and I'm sold..

It would cost a ton. The 370Z already has too much horsepower for the car as it comes from the factory, and they have cut a lot of corners in quality on it.

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by ImportConvert

Honestly, I don't have any issue with the suspension for acceleration. The high 12/low 13 second 1/4 mile times point to others doing well with it when using it at the drag strip, too.

My issue is with the suspension where the road turns and/or a bump is encountered. Nissan left a LOT on the table, here...

I agree, but in forward accel, the Z can push mid 12's with a better forward suspension and better tires. I've pulled 12.9 on the drag. When i do some better susp mods i expect 12.6

UNKNOWN_370 · 02-28-2013, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by /Angelo350Z/

Yeah, but we can all dream

. That would be awesome though ... a more exclusive Z with over 420 hp from the factory. Match it with timeless lines similar to the Z32, and I'm sold..

Z34 blows out the Z32 in looks. I say just smooth out and advance the current look.

/Angelo350Z/ · 02-28-2013, 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

Z34 blows out the Z32 in looks. I say just smooth out and advance the current look.

Agree to disagree.

ImportConvert · 02-28-2013, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

I agree, but in forward accel, the Z can push mid 12's with a better forward suspension and better tires. I've pulled 12.9 on the drag. When i do some better susp mods i expect 12.6

At the cost of handling a corner. I'll pass. NA V6's make shitty drag racing cars.

02-28-2013, 06:02 AM	#23 (permalink)
/Angelo350Z/ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 2,230 Drives: Z34 \| MK7 \| F82 Rep Power: 3660	I really hope Nissan builds the next Z to compete with the 911 Carrera, and the Nismo variant to go up against the Carrera S. I'm such a fanboy that I'll pay $70K fora 420+ hp, 3100 lb, NA V8 or TT V6 Z. That would then open up the segment for the new Silvia; slotted exactly where the Z has been all this time. __________________ 2013 MB NISSAN 370Z SPORT

02-28-2013, 06:47 AM	#25 (permalink)
/Angelo350Z/ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Germany Posts: 2,230 Drives: Z34 \| MK7 \| F82 Rep Power: 3660	Yeah, but we can all dream . That would be awesome though ... a more exclusive Z with over 420 hp from the factory. Match it with timeless lines similar to the Z32, and I'm sold.. __________________ 2013 MB NISSAN 370Z SPORT

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02-27-2013, 08:59 PM	#19 (permalink)
OnCallZ Base Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Florida Posts: 108 Drives: g37 Rep Power: 16	I agree, nissan needs to step up with the Z, currently the only competitive sports car they have is the GTR, the z turned into a GT cruiser, overpriced and under-powered. I remember reading an article in 2002-2003 when the 350z was deemed a Japanese mustang, now it seems that the new Japanese mustang got caught in a time loop and can't come out of early 21st century. Personally I would love to see a detuned gtr engine in the next gen Z, yes yes I know the r35 engine is an expensive thing, but the VR38DETT evolved from the VQ35/37, so I don't see why we can't have some convergent evolution and fabricate a VR38 derivative with maybe less boost/ revised internals to fit the 35k segment. I don't know if it would be cheaper then going to a full or half aluminum chassis, but I do know it would have the same effect, nothing wrong with 3200lbs and 450hp/420tq and limitless tuning potential, this surely would put the Z back in the lead