Why is Ford doing more than Nissan?

nuTinmuch · 03-06-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by cossie1600

There are always going to be faster cars. Why spend so much time worrying about it? You can upgrade all you want, but eventually your car will be dated one way or another. Just close the magazines and enjoy the drive.

I only care about faster cars when I decide to post on forums.

edit: and for what it's worth, my next car will likely be slower than any of the cars being discussed anyway. Engagement clock is ticking down...

m4a1mustang · 03-06-2013, 02:59 PM

Milliseconds? Think about what you are saying dude.

You can also find completely stock Mustangs that run much faster than 12.7. FWIW, the "premium" package you mentioned is not optimized for quarter mile racing at all. In fact, it's quite bad at the 1/4 mile. It's designed for back roads, track days, etc.

Fearless_Z · 03-06-2013, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Milliseconds? Think about what you are saying dude.

You get what im saying.

12 hour shift, 4 hours of sleep and baby appointment dont make for good feedback, lol.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-06-2013, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless_Z

Well ill tell you where i got it from. Here, the forums. Have you looked at the 1/4 mile times here? There have been completely stock Z's run a 12.9, so thats more like 2 miliseconds. Stock tires and everything too. And i said "barely"track ready if at all. You clearly dont read your sentences all the way through. You can make this a youtube battle but the evidence has already been given. So idk what else to tell you.

1) Do you know how much 2 milliseconds is? That's 0.002 seconds. There's more variation than that in the same car from run to run. I think you meant 2 tenths of a second.

2) Looked at the times here? I WAS the one who ran 12.9 stock. I know more than anyone that that run was more luck than the car being really fast. I've gotten full bolt ons on my car now and I still can't even hit my stock time again.

3) "Barely track ready" implies that the car is still track ready, which the Z is not.

m4a1mustang · 03-06-2013, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless_Z

You get what im saying.

12 hour shift, 4 hours of sleep and baby appointment dont make for good feedback, lol.

We would probably die if we could do a .129 second 1/4 mile

UNKNOWN_370 · 03-06-2013, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by nuTinmuch

If I was walking into a dealership today with the same money I was when I bought the Z, I feel like I'd get more fun for my dollar from a Mustang than I would a Z.

I enjoyed the extra power. I enjoyed the sound. I enjoyed everything about the car but the seats, which were then fixed. Now, for practicality reasons I won't buy a Mustang, but if it was 3 years ago and this car was on the market? No contest.

I also feel like you have to push the Z past the limits of a street road to have (more) fun with it, where the Mustang doesn't necessarily need that.

Haven't driven a Focus ST, but I have driven an AWD Juke. It wasn't fun. I mean, it was okay, it wasn't bad for a DD -- but fun? Nah. CVTs don't feel fun at all (also, while yes, this is highly subjective... I haven't ever seen someone compliment a CVT). It also doesn't feel as fast as you say. The engine feels (and sounds) like it is constantly under stress. I felt like the car was sort of flimsy (understandable, for what it is).

Also, there's a dude near me with one that has a bunch of mods on it -- it isn't nearly as mod-friendly as you make it seem. It seems that the max you can get out of the engine with a (way) aggressive tune and full bolt ons is around 60/70 more hp than stock. That also includes a bigger FMIC that either a). compromise the safety of the car, or b). looks hideous.

3 years ago the mustang was a 4.6 and the Z was faster and way better. Cars evolve on different schedules dude. Whats better this year in ford may end up being weaker due to a new chevy ford nissan or whatever

I just drove a juke monday while getting an oil change. CVT on the juke isn't the epitome of fun but that boost kicks in and with the right nudging from the accelerator and things happen. Jukes are shiftable now with DRM. throw that in with boost and it's not that bad. CVT on an NA car vs a car wwith boost offers different experiences. You're reading too many mags and listening to too many people around you. Don't like a CVT fine? Try the manual? I have... Whats your complaint there. The juke manual is mad fun. I find fun in both, just different kinds. If all you do is throttle and brake and go around the block? You dont experience shyt. I've bought over $200,000 in nissans in the last 7 years. I go into my dealershi[p and ask for a test drive. I get the keys, no escort. Have tyou really test driven a juke? lol

Or is it FWD is only fun when its a focus and Not when its a Juke? :GTFO:

Fearless_Z · 03-06-2013, 03:14 PM

This is just a thread to bash eachother and everyone's opinions obviously.

b1adesofcha0s · 03-06-2013, 03:16 PM

I'm just bored at work

JungleZ · 03-06-2013, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless_Z

This is just a thread to bash eachother and everyone's opinions obviously.

Don't be mad man, Nissan can barely sell 2013 z models. It's time for a major change

Fearless_Z · 03-06-2013, 03:22 PM

Im not mad. I love both cars. I think both look extremely good and perform well for what they are. But as i said, i just didnt think the mustang was extremely superior to the Z given its power rating and "drag" advantage over the Z. Thats all i was trying to get at, lol.

m4a1mustang · 03-06-2013, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless_Z

Im not mad. I love both cars. I think both look extremely good and perform well for what they are. But as i said, i just didnt think the mustang was extremely superior to the Z given its power rating and "drag" advantage over the Z. Thats all i was trying to get at, lol.

Well try to adhere to forum rules at the very least.

JungleZ · 03-06-2013, 03:24 PM

I don't care how fast they make the Nissan juke that is easily one of the most ugly cars on the road. Just seeing that parked In Nissans showroom is borderline embarrassing.

m4a1mustang · 03-06-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JungleZ

I don't care how fast they make the Nissan juke that is easily one of the most ugly cars on the road. Just seeing that parked In Nissans showroom is borderline embarrassing.

It's better than the Cube.

Fearless_Z · 03-06-2013, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Whoa... I was joking around with you and you called me an idiot. Someone obviously doesn't understand Internet sarcasm.

I corrected you. You said "you know what I meant" and made a joke. Understanding what you meant, and seeing the humor, I made a joke too. Even threw an emoticon in there to make sure it got across.

But yeah, I'm an idiot, and a ford fanboy apparently even though the only car in my driveway is a Honda. So are you sure you got that right? I don't know, we'll let the mods sort it out.

Lol, well sorry for that on my part.

But you have to understand, i see you saying what you type in one way while you mean it differently.

Plus, given your display name, i figuref you were bias.

m4a1mustang · 03-06-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Fearless_Z

Lol, well sorry for that on my part.

But you have to understand, i see you saying what you type in one way while you mean it differently.

Plus, given your display name, i figuref you were bias.

M4a1 rifle + P51 Mustang

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Fearless_Z Base Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Center Point, LA Posts: 208 Drives: 2014 Nissan Z Nismo Rep Power: 13	Im not mad. I love both cars. I think both look extremely good and perform well for what they are. But as i said, i just didnt think the mustang was extremely superior to the Z given its power rating and "drag" advantage over the Z. Thats all i was trying to get at, lol.