Why is Ford doing more than Nissan?

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UNKNOWN_370

You just contradicted yourself in one post...

the z is probably the most fun of the batch of cars you're bangin on about. (Mustang,Camaro,) Minus the Evo, that fun factor is crazy.


If all you care about is fun, the Z is gonna be on top. The stang is a track god but feels numb and is kinda boring when you factor in, seat position, steering feel, cornering and the overall sense of engaging to drive. Power is the major factor of being a winner. And if someone brings up that weak azz track pack again I'm gonna The Z is much more engaging. The Mustang is just winning on tracks. (Boss302 changes that but everyone svcks 5.0 c0ck for being something overall it's NOT). I'll give Ford props for the little computer accelerometer etc... Great track performance and an incredible powerful engine. But there are so many factors to the driving experience the Z can fill that Stang can't. And to deny this is fanboy...

Deep down inside what it really boils down to is that the mustang is the fastest on the block under $40k and some ego's are hurt they don't have the fastest car. But handling wise, quality and technology wise, the Mustang is still the inferior car. And remember, The Z compares in performance to a v6 and in price to a v8. They give you way more quality in structural design and the VQ 37 has tech advance firsts the 5.0 doesn't. The Z is the compromise car. There is NO Comparison. GEt OVER IT. NISSAN slated us an AFFORDABLE porsche fighter. Not a competitive mustang fighter. Can the mustang beat the cayman around the track? Most likely yes. AND??????????????????
You Make The Conscious Decision Of buying a 370Z to be an individual who appreciates UNIQUE performance atrributes or YOU BUY a mustang based on the muscle power wars and who has the biggest Car C0ck.(mustang, camaro or challenger) Thats's all there is and nothing more.

There are things to complain about the Z. But your post is contradictory to everything we're really discussing. a lot of what this post was about was the lack of tech innovation and OVERALL SPORTY entries from Nissan

Where is the Sentra SE-R?
What will happen to the altima coupe?
Why will the Z be a BRZ fighter instead of carrying the tradition of Cayman stopper?

Cars like the Focus St, upcoming Fiesta ST, the current mustang and the new focus show that they are injecting fun to their cars. Nissan, who was always the leader of injecting fun into cars (along with mazda) are slowing that down with current entries. At least it seems that way. That's the real Argument.

I agree, i wouldn't buy a Z right now if i was buying for strrictly performance. I'd buy a camaro !LE, because the suspension tuning on that car gives more feedback than our current Z. Really? A camaro? lol YES a Camaro. The track pack GT? Ancient history. It's outdated. The Boss 302 is the stang leader. Hmmm? Can you affrd it? Probably not? Which brings you back to 37k for a SS1LE or a Z. for $39k. I'll take the 1LE. If the Z was $35k from the 1Le, i'd choose the Z. BUT I'm looking at it from behind the wheel.

There's so many ways to look at a car purchase. Problem we have here is when we cross reasons for buying. Don't say you're all about fun and bring up tech issues in the cockpit. That's highly contradictory.

Red__Zed

I think you misread the thread title.

KaienZ34

Like this....

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UNKNOWN_370

One other thing. What cracks me up about the Extreme Fanboi BS in here is thst i can give props to the Focus St for being a 26k fun FWD that it is and everyone will agree. Give respect to the Juke and everyone starts hating. Dfollar for dollar, the juke is extremely high quality @ $23k. The juke is loaded with modern tech @ a low price. The turbo FWD juke gets to 60 in 7.3 seconds and does the quarter mile faster than the BRZ.
BRZ 6.0/15.9
Juke 7.3 15.5
The juke will not give a purist driving experience of the BRZ but the Juke is easier to mod and a HOOT to drive. While I would love to see a manual and shiftable auto instead of CVT in the AWD. What they have so far is awesome. My issue is I'd like to see more in the sentra, versa and altima coupe segments at least. But respect is being taken away from the juke and 90% are making comments about it that haven't driven it,aren't interested in driving it and want to make defining comments. I've driven both variants. FWD and AWD and both transmissions. The AWD offers more feedback and the FWD manual builds deeper on the sporty-truck like driving experience in a little CUV that the AWD version already provides. It's truly unique experience and a Juke on special is priced nice

nuTinmuch

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also wat

Where do I bring up anything like that? Innovation isn't limited to nav screens.

Let's try again:

In other words, if I walk into a Nissan showroom I see two cars -- good ones -- but the one I can afford (the 370) is behind the competition in the year 2013. That is because of ~reasons~ (that were already stated in this thread). It's outdated.

What I'm saying is this:

Nissan should've been building a S16 or something like it. It would be nice to see a competitive Juke or SE-R. As the 370 didn't sell well, it didn't get a refresh, so it is far behind the competition. This does not mean it is a bad car. It just means it is behind the competition.

If I walk into a Ford showroom, I see cars that I like. That are fun. That I can afford. This is all. Finally...

Alternatively, some people enjoy going fast in a straight line. Fun for some people might be feeling gobs of torque. Fun for others is going around corners. For me, fun isn't something I can pin down. All I know is that (for me) Nissan is lacking in the fun department. That's okay. They'll survive and they'll sell cars. As I said earlier, fun-oriented drivers like myself are a dying breed. They are likely making the right business choices.

But (as I said pages ago) I see their offerings as sub-par.

also you sort of answered your own question about the Juke. The Focus ST gets props because it went the distance (minus its dif, maybe). The Juke is close, but most would agree it is just short of being cool

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SS_Firehawk

Nut, try this, attached 8in all seasons to the back of your car. It will feel just like a Mustang, I promise.

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b1adesofcha0s

More like an FRS/BRZ

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UNKNOWN_370

i go in nissan and i see cars i like. I go in Ford I see cars i like, I go into both and i also find cars i dont. The Z is technologically behind in USB ports and ancient looking nav, Stereos etc. You're talking about fun. The Z is behind in fun? How? Where? What? Come on man. Long stories for short points.

Juke is short of being kool? lol thats weak. The focus is awesome but went the disttance where??? What distance you're talking about. The juke didnt? Where? I've driven both!!! Have you? this is where the BS line blurrs bruh.

The juke is hot for what it is. The Focus is Hot for what it is. Give me 5 solid reasons that the juke isn't a good buy. Or not kool. CVT excluded cuz thats highly subjective. A 7.3 second turbo entry @ $21k is pretty kewl to me. Only other turbo @that price is the Veloster. I'll take em both at that price.

Technology. We're going to hve to wait and see but the Q50 nav, expect 90-1005 of those features to be in the next gen Z, maxima, murano.

http://www.infinitiusa.com/all-new-q50/technology/

Fearless_Z

Honestly, i understand the 5.0 is fast in a straight line, etc etc. But i really look at it like this, it comes from the factory basically drag ready (premium package). And its like 4 tenths of a second faster if driven right? I mean it already makes almost 100 more horsepower and definitely alot more torque. But one of the main things which gets it the 12.7 is its 3.73 gears. So honestly, i dont see this car as a dominating car for what its equipped with. Better gears and way more torque and horsepower and its 4 tenths of a second ahead of a barely track ready car that makes much less power and isnt meant for drag? Just my 2 cents.

b1adesofcha0s

Where the hell did you get 4 milliseconds from?

I wouldn't call the Z a track ready car.....not without an oil cooler. I have youtube blocked at work, so will someone else post the 5.0 vs M3 video by MT? Thanks

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nuTinmuch

If I was walking into a dealership today with the same money I was when I bought the Z, I feel like I'd get more fun for my dollar from a Mustang than I would a Z.

I enjoyed the extra power. I enjoyed the sound. I enjoyed everything about the car but the seats, which were then fixed. Now, for practicality reasons I won't buy a Mustang, but if it was 3 years ago and this car was on the market? No contest.

I also feel like you have to push the Z past the limits of a street road to have (more) fun with it, where the Mustang doesn't necessarily need that.

Haven't driven a Focus ST, but I have driven an AWD Juke. It wasn't fun. I mean, it was okay, it wasn't bad for a DD -- but fun? Nah. CVTs don't feel fun at all (also, while yes, this is highly subjective... I haven't ever seen someone compliment a CVT). It also doesn't feel as fast as you say. The engine feels (and sounds) like it is constantly under stress. I felt like the car was sort of flimsy (understandable, for what it is).

Also, there's a dude near me with one that has a bunch of mods on it -- it isn't nearly as mod-friendly as you make it seem. It seems that the max you can get out of the engine with a (way) aggressive tune and full bolt ons is around 60/70 more hp than stock. That also includes a bigger FMIC that either a). compromise the safety of the car, or b). looks hideous.

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cossie1600

There are always going to be faster cars. Why spend so much time worrying about it? You can upgrade all you want, but eventually your car will be dated one way or another. Just close the magazines and enjoy the drive.

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Fearless_Z

Well ill tell you where i got it from. Here, the forums. Have you looked at the 1/4 mile times here? There have been completely stock Z's run a 12.9, so thats more like 2 tenths of a second. Stock tires and everything too. And i said "barely"track ready if at all. You clearly dont read your sentences all the way through. You can make this a youtube battle but the evidence has already been given. So idk what else to tell you.