The new Camaros!

6MT · 07-16-2009, 06:34 PM

I've seen a couple at a dealership who deals with me for parts. Too much plastic for my liking. Nice design, though. Really retro!! (Kind of like the Challenger in a VW Beetle kind of way

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Originally Posted by tvfreakazoid

So has anyone stopped by the dealer to check out the new camaro's? I noticed that they are mark ups on those. What do you guys think of them?

zZSportZz · 07-16-2009, 07:36 PM

LOL...so you mean I couldn't even buy a manual SS Camaro atm cause they stopped making them due to gear box failure? Thats kinda funny.

theDreamer · 07-16-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by zZSportZz

LOL...so you mean I couldn't even buy a manual SS Camaro atm cause they stopped making them due to gear box failure? Thats kinda funny.

Yes, they are currently stopping all shipments.

BanningZ · 07-16-2009, 07:54 PM

Seen em'.

To plasticy looking. Not as impressed as I was a few years ago.

SpawnAeroJohn · 07-16-2009, 08:06 PM

^x2

If I HAD to pick a domestic sports car. Id get the 2010 stang or the challenger. IMO the Camaro is done way over the top. Overkill.

On the other hand if anybody has seen the challengers interior youll know what I mean by plain as black coffee. Real dull interior.

Lone Wolf 75 · 07-16-2009, 08:30 PM

I was actually cross shopping the Camaro until I went to the local Chevy dealer. It went something like this:
Me: "So do you have any new Camaros on the lot?"
Chevy Salesperson: "Just the one we sold and is being picked up later tonight by the owner. It's an SS. You can look at it from the outside, but that's it."
Me: After looking at the car. "Cool. Are you getting anymore in anytime soon?"
CS: "Not that we know of for the next couple of months. If you want one, you gotta special order one."
Me: "So how does an interested buyer, like myself, get a chance to test drive one?"
CS: "Well, after you order it, financing is approved, and you sign the papers, you could take it out for a spin. Also, these are selling at three-thousand or so above MSRP, and are on an order only basis."
Me: "Ok, well I am not going to buy a vehicle without a test drive, you have any sales brochures?"
CS: "Nope, all out."
Me: "Ok thanks for your time, goodbye."

IMHO, Chevy's got a good thing going with these cars, but they are messing up the endgame in completing the sale with a lot of potential buyers. Sure the car looks great, but I would not buy one on looks alone. The car is pretty big too, so does it feel like a land yacht or a vintage or modern muscle car? I'll never know without a test drive.

Now, the die-hard Chevy and Camaro fans will probably eat these up and pay the premiums, as well as the-gotta-have-it people, but I'm betting that's a small fraction of the potential market for this car. I've already made my mind up that the 370Z is the car to beat in my mind and that door is closing quickly, as I will likely be buying one soon.

Zcott · 07-16-2009, 09:14 PM

Why is anyone surprised that GM is having problems with a first gen vehicle?
It's their MO. They make bad designs, and try to work them out in the assembly line rather than doing most of the work on the drawing table.
It's ridiculous that the Camaro was in development for as long as it was, and to still have major issues...

Looks... I still like it. The 68 Camaro with the folding lights is one of the sweetest looking cars every made. The new one captures a little of that, but as has been said... they made it too big. Somewhere along the line the "pony" part of pony car was lost in favor of Clydesdale.

I work with a guy that got the first Camaro delivered in DFW. It's a red SS and is pretty to look at and has a great V8 growl, but it only took me a few minutes to know I wouldn't buy one.

I detest GM's interior philosophy of cramming as much crap as possible into every nook and cranny as they can. Pontiac was the worst.

IDZRVIT · 07-16-2009, 09:24 PM

Reality check: Camaros are selling like hot cakes. The Oshawa plant can barely keep up with the orders. So, how are the Z's selling? GM has bragging rights in my opinion.

JB1 · 07-16-2009, 09:25 PM

I like the looks of it, but it still is too much of a big and heavy old skool muscle car. IMHO the Z is much more of a sports car. One thing I don't understand is why I see so many Camaros at Avis, while dealers are saying they are in short supply and charging huge premiums? At each the 4 or 5 five Avis locations I have recently been to, they had at least 6 Camaros.

AK370Z · 07-16-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lone Wolf 75

I was actually cross shopping the Camaro until I went to the local Chevy dealer. It went something like this:
Me: "So do you have any new Camaros on the lot?"
Chevy Salesperson: "Just the one we sold and is being picked up later tonight by the owner. It's an SS. You can look at it from the outside, but that's it."
Me: After looking at the car. "Cool. Are you getting anymore in anytime soon?"
CS: "Not that we know of for the next couple of months. If you want one, you gotta special order one."
Me: "So how does an interested buyer, like myself, get a chance to test drive one?"
CS: "Well, after you order it, financing is approved, and you sign the papers, you could take it out for a spin. Also, these are selling at three-thousand or so above MSRP, and are on an order only basis."
Me: "Ok, well I am not going to buy a vehicle without a test drive, you have any sales brochures?"
CS: "Nope, all out."
Me: "Ok thanks for your time, goodbye."

IMHO, Chevy's got a good thing going with these cars, but they are messing up the endgame in completing the sale with a lot of potential buyers. Sure the car looks great, but I would not buy one on looks alone. The car is pretty big too, so does it feel like a land yacht or a vintage or modern muscle car? I'll never know without a test drive.

Now, the die-hard Chevy and Camaro fans will probably eat these up and pay the premiums, as well as the-gotta-have-it people, but I'm betting that's a small fraction of the potential market for this car. I've already made my mind up that the 370Z is the car to beat in my mind and that door is closing quickly, as I will likely be buying one soon.

I think GM lost some good sales due to a. dealers attitude toward this car. b. GM not able to deliver this car, lets say, at least an year earlier. Also, their financial stand point isn't helping.

I would still drive one though (Black SS model)

One of my close friend is this close ---> ll to giving up on the camaro. Way too much run around by the dealer, no test drive, extended waiting time etc. I told him to go test drive a 370Z [sorry, I don't let anyone drive (or test drive) my car. You can call me selfish!]

2theextreme · 07-16-2009, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z

I told him to go test drive a 370Z [sorry, I don't let anyone drive (or test drive) my car. You can call me selfish!]

I wouldn't call ya selfish....I'd call ya smart!

chad520320 · 07-16-2009, 10:35 PM

They may look nice but check out all the problems people are having with them before they even get them off the lot...
Ultimate Issues Inspection Checklist for dealership inspection prior to delivery - Camaro Forum - 2009 Camaro / 2010 Camaro / New Camaro SS Z28 Forums - Camaro5.com

AK370Z · 07-16-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by chad520320

They may look nice but check out all the problems people are having with them before they even get them off the lot...
Ultimate Issues Inspection Checklist for dealership inspection prior to delivery - Camaro Forum - 2009 Camaro / 2010 Camaro / New Camaro SS Z28 Forums - Camaro5.com

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001. Loose Bolts that hold fluid back causing leaks (ex: on oil pan, tranny fluid)
002. Trunk Locking mechanism (issues with opening w/o adding down pressure to top of trunk first and/or emergency release appears to be loose keeping the trunk from locking properly)
003. Loose plastic paneling around the 4-gauges cluster, launch control, cigarette power plug as well as Left and Right A-Pillars Trim Loose, sill trim loose, and dash pannel where doors and dash meet popping open.
004. Loose Spoiler/installed correctly (Re-torque Spoiler bolts)
005. Wiper transmission cable overheating from engine causing a short circuit.
006. Matching Headlight Halos strength. (one defective being dimmer then the other).
007. Mismatched paint on parts of the vehicle (including gas door). As well as paint runs or clear coat runs. Paint Chips.
008. Loose Rocker Panel "Chevrolet" causing it to peel off.
009. Minor Problem With Window Indexing.
010. Ambient Lighting on doors defective.
011. Bad radiator (leaks).
012. Hood release/latch issues (won't unhook to open the hood).
013. Gap at base of ONStar Antenna.
014. Battery cable routing near the starter has been done.
015. Digital Speedometer is off. Also keeps going on and off.
016. Bottom pulley shakes and needs replacement per dealer.
017. Broken tranny.
018. Ignition Mechanism Issue with key getting stuck in car.
019. Non RS taillights installed on RS equipped cars (all 4 of them).
020. Rocker Panel aligned with body and clipped in correctly.
021. Bumper rubs with body
022. Trunk opens with switch and remote
023. Correct speedo/tach gauge ring color
023. Ambient lighting on drivers door as bright as passenger door
024. Doors gaps /alignment
025. Dirt/bubbles in rally stripes
026. Door panel not scratched from seat belt.
027. Shift knobs wearing out extremely fast could be faulty material
028. AC system stops blowing cold air in random durations, most likely blockage in AC drainage and/or AC draining into the car instead of beneath it
029. Clunking noise in changing gears
030. Trunk opens with remote and laser cut key
031. USB drive and aux port works
032. Squeaky Breaks
033. GFX installed correctly
034. Rims and tires in good condition (coming off carrier in bad condition/damaged)
035. Check for damage in the interior, basic procedure
036. Check the locking mechanism of both doors
037. Scraping sound for a second when backing up
038. SS emblem on trunk is loose
039. Loose interior windshield trim loose
040. The front GFX lip is not coming loose at the double sided tape
041. The front passenger brake rotors are not wearing with a dark colored groove
042. Hood latch handle on inside of cab doesn't retract properly (just hangs)
043. Scratches in seats
044. Oil cooler leaking
045. Once in every 10-15 times I unlock the car, the drivers side door is still locked, while
the locking knob on the door is in the "up" position
046. Faulty as gauge (improper readings)
047. Missing paint around the headlights
048. Bleed screw on clutch slave cylinder loose
049. Stickers on rockers peeling
050. Scratches on window pillars
051. Misaligned body & door panels as well as hood not centered properly (more to one side then the other)
052. Alignment of doors to dash interior the door interior seems to sag below the dash interior
053. Drivers side roof light( the one with the toggle switch) only works when its toggled over to the passenger side
054. Door sill decals peeling up
055. Paint swirls in driver/passenger door
056. Drive-shaft connection to the differential cracking when dropping the clutch
057. Tach Needle Sticking
058. Wiper motor wiring comes through bottom of the cowling-well in front of the driver. (The fix (decided upon between the dealer and myself) was to re-insulate the wires, cover the harness with a hard, slick plastic covering, drill a small hole in the bottom of the cowling-well (fill the hole with silicone) and use a cable tie down like the rest of the wiper harness uses to secure the harness to the floor of the cowling (the grommet will collapse downward with little force), far away from harm from the wiper arms.)
059. engine makes continuous clicking noise, starting roughly 5 seconds after engine starts
060. Door Sill plates wrinkled on outside edges (both sides)
061. Trunk gasket at bottom of rear window coming off
062. Uneven Dash (driver's side dash is lower then passenger's side)
063. Passenger/Driver's side Fender alignment off. (wheel cover well had to come off, then loosen fender bolt, and it pops right in place)
064. Key won't stay in folded position
065. Faulty Tail lights.

frost · 07-17-2009, 02:57 AM

I read the title and thought "oh no, not another camaro thread," but AKs info above is pretty funny.

smurfblu13 · 07-17-2009, 04:01 AM

I've driven one, I mean it is what it is. It's an American car so given the interior is nothing to write home about. Looks wise it's decent, however I think the whole look factor will decrease when they are a more common occurrence. I only got to drive the V6 as they did not have any SS's and even for the V6 is can get up and go. Again not anything to write home about but it was surprising for the V6 in my opinion.

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