Next Generation of NISMO Performance Announcement Coming 2/26

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

The Camaro sales are beating the Mustang, but totals show an overall decrease from 2011 to 2013 for the Camaro also. It's some 3,800 units less. That's about a third of 370z sales in 2012. I actually like the Mustang's styling over the Camaro. Both cars need a huge re-design though. The Camaro's styling, although hadn't entered production until 2010, dates back to 2006 in a concept form. That's a lot of years of seeing the same design. I'm curious to see what Chevy has planned for the next gen Camaro after seeing the new Stingray.

Originally Posted by UNKNOWN_370

The camaro was a tedious concept car. 2 years late and bloated. But i love that car. Especially in SS1LE form. People just don't know what's up with that one. Thats one incredible set-up

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

I agree with you somewhat, but the sales figures of the Mustang has been on the decline overall....even after the refresh. People just aren't buying as many sports cars/muscle cars as they use to in the early 2000's. Have you seen the economy? It isn't the car. They still sell more in a month than Nissan sells Z's in a year, typically... Stangs are still outselling the Z by a huge margin, but overall, it's been on a decline. Ford knows this. It's why rumors of a the next Mustang becoming more of a sports car instead of muscle car are likely. I love muscle cars & anything fast, but let's face it, the majority of the planet are satisfied driving a Camry or Civic. I used to work for a Ford dealer. It's always been this way. Our sales data for the last 30 years were that way. HUGE! spike that slowly trends down, following a new model. Then it begins again.

Heck, 'Murica's love for muscle cars isn't even a comparison to what they really love. The bread and butter for the big three and the very reason they are still around after making lackluster cars for so many years......Big *** Trucks! Ford sold 645,316 F-Series trucks last year vs 82,995 for the 'stang.
Very true, on the truck point, but 'Murica buys horsepower.
I guess my point is, it's a niche market begin with and you can find faults in every car if you look hard enough. You'd have to be a complete fool to believe every word in the brochure. I believed I could drive to work every day and not warp my Sport rotors every 10K miles. I believed that the car actually was 53/47 wet and with a driver instead of the 55/45 that it is when I weighed it. Am I stupid for thinking that the manufacture wouldn't BS me so hard? If every word were true, there would be no aftermarket & we wouldn't need to modify anything. It's not an excuse or in defense of Nissan, Ford or any other company, just realities of producing a car that has to apeal to millions, each having very specific wants and needs. The next Z should be better and learn from current owners, but that doesn't mean Nissan is going to listen to a few enthusiast. Here's to hoping that they do.

Originally Posted by Cmike2780

'Murican buyers want horsepower but what they actually buy are practical 4 cylinders. Aside form the top selling Trucks, the best selling cars have been Camry, Accord, Civic, Corolla, Altima...etc....etc...
Or they buy V8's that get better mileage than Japan's V6's. My Z06 got better mileage around town and on the freeway than my 370Z, driven the same way.
Nissan builds cars like the Z and GT-R to satisfy an image of performance. Image only, in the 370Z's case, sadly. Theoretically, someone gets enticed by the "pedegree" and leave the lot with something more suited in practicallity and price range. Most customers did not buy what they stopped to look at, very true, in my experience! In reality, it's more like marketing....something designed to generate revenue for the rest of the line up. This is why Toyota has the GT-86....heck, they didn't even want to do it on their own. Makes sense why they didn't complete the package regarding the Z's shortcomings...who cares? It's just for looks.

The Z isn't that fragile. Your points are valid, but others probably think it's a bit OCD. OCD that I hate nasty brake-judder entering corners? OCD that I hate having to replace windshields (this new one is already pecked to ****. What kind of glass do they use!? I forsee a running crack, soon. ALl it will take is the slightest pebble.) I'm a bit OCD when it comes to keeping it clean. I for one hate the crappy paint and a few other minor nuisances, but it's been a pretty solid car IMO. I've even had "warped" rotors.....twice. Not that big of a deal to me, but I can see why it would bother you. Yeah, when you replace pads it's cool if the rotors are shot, but every 10K miles with ZERO HPDE's?! What I like about the car still greatly outweighs what I hate about it. The only way you ever become satisfied with your car in every aspect is to design and build the car yourself from the ground up. I only wish I had the funds for such an endeavor.